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phenom08 said:
DerNebel said:
phenom08 said:
DerNebel said:
 

No, both markets are equally sized, just cause the Wii sold most in Japan and also worldwide it does not mean, that japan is suddenly more important. In fact looking at the date we have available, we see that the home console software sales have consistently higher then in Japan in the last couple years. So yeah I'd argue that the UK is a more important market than Japan is nowadays.

UK is becoming more important for home consoles because Japan is shifting. During the Wii days, Japan was more important.

Which means your initial post

"In UK.... definitely. 360 sold most in UK and will finish last.... so yeah. UK hardly matters much. I would say Japan matters more actually. "

was completely pointless. Thanks for that.

Not really. That post was addressing someone saying the gen is decided thanks to these sales. I said Japan matters more based off of last gen. Maybe you should stop assuming things.

No, you made the claim of Japan mattering more in home console sales, basing this on Wii selling the most worldwide.

Once again, Japan does not matter more than the UK and it has not mattered more last generation either, you're just assuming things. Like I said same amount of home consoles sold and more software sold in the UK for years clearly suggests that the UK mattered more last gen. Also looking at how neither MS nor Sony are bothering to release their console in Japan this year, it's pretty obvious how important they think the market is. Japans importance in the home console market is dwindling quickly at the moment.



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Now now, the laughing at Rol is a tad harsh. He at least explained his prediction and nobody could argue against it at the time.

Nobody realistically expected these numbers.



                            

@DerNebel Read what it quoted instead of making shit up.



pezus said:
phenom08 said:
DerNebel said:

I'm saying the Wii U is doing bad in Japan compared to past generations. If you're saying that home consoles are on decline in Japan then I wonder why you're claiming that Japan would be a more important market than the UK in the coming generation, cause this generation the home console market in the UK and Japan were pretty much the same size (24 million between Wii/PS3/360)

I never claimed Japan would be more important in the coming gen. All I said was basically the UK means little because the winner of UK from last gen came in last. Wii won Japan and the gen, so i would say Japan is more important.

The winner in the US will also finish last (last gen). I guess the US matter little

In the silly meaningless 'war' you're right. In terms of actually making bank and getting mindshare, US is very important.



 

phenom08 said:
Mummelmann said:
phenom08 said:
Mummelmann said:
phenom08 said:
Lol Im being fed crow from all around. Good for it, 360 was number 1 here and will finish last. So this means nothing in the long run.


True enough, the Wii U will have a "3DS comeback" and rush to the very top in Europe and globally and beat everyone handily, John Lucas said so.

By the way, isn't it time your brought out your "PS4 failed" threads?

Yeah it is, im pretty sure it will fall behind launch aligned soon in NA to PS2 and Wii. Which is sad since it did have the biggest launch in history.

Oh god no! You mean it won't beat the PS2 or Wii?! That's horrible! That leaves them open to be dominated by others!

I'm not sure if you know this, but I'm one of the prime advocates for the whole "none of the 8th gen consoles will have stellar sales" movement and I never expected anyone to outsell the Wii, let alone the PS2 (I have said on numerous occassions that we'll never see a home console dominate or sell that much ever again). The 8th gen will see the whole console market, both handheld and home consoles, shrink.

PS: If Wii U isn't selling well in Japan, and obviously not doing too hot in Europe, do you expect it to win the 8th gen simply by way of North America? And if it doesn't win, then how are the victors failures? Yet again, you have managed to paint yourself into a corner, one would have thought you had learned something by now.

I never said WiiU would win this gen. Why do Sony fans like yourself read so far into things? This is what i mean by your reaching. So you see PS4 getting off to a start like this but failing to outsell PS2? Its a gamer system according to many here. Why would it fail to beat atleast Wii?


Because it will have a flatter sales curve with smaller spikes and the generation will be shorter.

You never said the Wii U would win the gen? But you have said all along that One and PS4 would flop and fail, how can two flops/failures beat your favourite? What will that make the Wii U? I suppose you could just include 3DS sales in the equation to make the situation seem less dire. Oh, wait; you already did!

You never said that the Wii U would win?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030877

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030870

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5106375

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5158455

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5144287

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169211

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169199

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5168976

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5231419

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5547530

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5523924

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5518641

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5324429

Just for good measure, as an example of your benign nature and a dose of irony for when you accuse me of bias and/or reaching;

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5337448

And there's a bunch more all over the forums. Well, at least you're polite and largely on-topic in your discussions. And "lol" is perfectly acceptable to include in every sentence, it drives home the point to a great extent and also lends maturity and an aura of intellectual integrity.

 

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phenom08 said:
pezus said:
phenom08 said:
pezus said:

The winner in the US will also finish last (last gen). I guess the US matter little

The Wii won US.

Not really. It will be outsold this year.

The gen is over and Wii was on top when it ended. Wii won.

The gen isn't over until Sony say so



Mummelmann said:
phenom08 said:

I never said WiiU would win this gen. Why do Sony fans like yourself read so far into things? This is what i mean by your reaching. So you see PS4 getting off to a start like this but failing to outsell PS2? Its a gamer system according to many here. Why would it fail to beat atleast Wii?


Because it will have a flatter sales curve with smaller spikes and the generation will be shorter.

You never said the Wii U would win the gen? But you have said all along that One and PS4 would flop and fail, how can two flops/failures beat your favourite? What will that make the Wii U? I suppose you could just include 3DS sales in the equation to make the situation seem less dire. Oh, wait; you already did!

You never said that the Wii U would win?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030877

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030870

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5106375

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5158455

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5144287

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169211

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169199

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5168976

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5231419

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5547530

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5523924

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5518641

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5324429

Just for good measure, as an example of your benign nature and a dose of irony for when you accuse me of bias and/or reaching;

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5337448

And there's a bunch more all over the forums. Well, at least you're polite and largely on-topic in your discussions. And "lol" is perfectly acceptable to include in every sentence, it drives home the point to a great extent and also lends maturity and an aura of intellectual integrity.

 

Corner. Paint. Etc.

 

So good



phenom08 said:
@DerNebel Read what it quoted instead of making shit up.

I read what you quoted and I agree with Seece. That you're assuming that he is only basing this of the UK sales, while in the last 2 weeks both MS and Sonys console launched to much higher numbers than the Wii U in the US as well, is stretching it very much. And even if he was basing it on UK only, then it would still be a reasonable enough thing to say since the UK is the market that most resembles the biggest market in the world, the US market. Also mainland Europe has pretty much shunned the Wii U since release, while going crazy about the PS4 and also giving the X1 a good launch compared to the Wii U.

All in all Seece's post makes a pretty reasonable assumption at this point, certainly way more reasonable than your "UK is not important, Japan matters (present tense) more" claim, no reason to get rude.



phenom08 said:

Yeah it is, im pretty sure it will fall behind launch aligned soon in NA to PS2 and Wii. Which is sad since it did have the biggest launch in history.


Using this logic the 3DS failed because it isn't doing as well as the DS did.



Mummelmann said:
phenom08 said:

I never said WiiU would win this gen. Why do Sony fans like yourself read so far into things? This is what i mean by your reaching. So you see PS4 getting off to a start like this but failing to outsell PS2? Its a gamer system according to many here. Why would it fail to beat atleast Wii?


Because it will have a flatter sales curve with smaller spikes and the generation will be shorter.

You never said the Wii U would win the gen? But you have said all along that One and PS4 would flop and fail, how can two flops/failures beat your favourite? What will that make the Wii U? I suppose you could just include 3DS sales in the equation to make the situation seem less dire. Oh, wait; you already did!

You never said that the Wii U would win?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030877

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5030870

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5106375

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5158455

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5144287

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169211

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5169199

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5168976

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5231419

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5547530

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5523924

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5518641

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5324429

Just for good measure, as an example of your benign nature and a dose of irony for when you accuse me of bias and/or reaching;

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5337448

And there's a bunch more all over the forums. Well, at least you're polite and largely on-topic in your discussions. And "lol" is perfectly acceptable to include in every sentence, it drives home the point to a great extent and also lends maturity and an aura of intellectual integrity.

 

Corner. Paint. Etc.


I got fed up by the 4th link. God knows how you got through all that.