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GPU-breaking scenario found, reproduced and tested - EVGA GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090 and (not only) New World | Tests | igor´sLAB

https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-not-only-new-world-when-the-graphics-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/

It seems to be a faulty fan controller raising one of the fans RPM to crazy levels. Now obviously in actuality, no fan can go that high but he does report that you can actually hear that one fan ramping up to 100%. The card also ignores the manual fan settings so even if you set it to 50%, it will still ramp up well above that. There is also this quite:

"However, it also happens in this game that the fans keep howling and you have to close the game immediately before a blackout and the well-known emergency shutdown happens shortly after. In this case, the only thing that can be done is to disconnect the computer from the mains and wait a few seconds to be able to boot it again. This in turn indicates an emergency shutdown by the power supply, which proves that the card must have demanded an abnormal amount of power in this situation."

Personally, after trying to read the article a few times, I am still not quite certain what causes the card to stop working. Since the article is translated from German, it's not the easiest thing to read. A fan controller reporting faulty numbers and fans ramping up to 100% shouldn't cause the cards to die. It could be due to abnormal amount of power but then it should be affecting other 3000 series cards as well to the same extent but we know that it's mainly the Evga FTW3 cards that are the issue. Could be that FTW3 has some terrible power delivery systems but it's hard to tell reading the article. Hopefully GN or someone will give us more clarity.

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One thing I will say about the switch that annoys me is that, as an owner of Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity, that game runs at 15-25 fps during most fight scenes. So when this version gets out of early access, I am gonna give it a go!

STEAM Deckl built-in FPS limiter. All steam games playable at minimum of 30 fps.

Neowin: Radeon RX 6600 XT MSRP is 349 USD, RX 6600 to cost 299 USD

https://videocardz.com/newz/neowin-radeon-rx-6600-xt-msrp-is-349-usd-rx-6600-to-cost-299-usd

Of course, it is still supposed to be AIBs only which if that is the case, the MSRP doesn't matter much as AIBs generally charge well above MSRP. But if true, at least AMD's intention with the MSRP is less wtf. I get the feeling that a 3060 Ti will continue to be the best bang per buck.



             

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Next gen GPUs are gonna be pretty interesting in the sense that, if the rumours are to be believed, all 3 GPU vendors will be at node parity.

Personally I think this is the way it's gonna go down:

Raster:
RDNA 3
Lovelace
Intel GPU

Ray Tracing:
Lovelace
RDNA 3
Intel GPU

I think Intel will mainly be in the low to mid range and honestly, looking at todays market, we really need someone in that category. I really hope Intel prices their shit right cause we need another $200 half decent card. The good news is that while you now have 3 big vendors now competing for that 5nm from TSMC, Apple should be moving to 3nm. And since consoles should continue to be at 7nm, it might give the PC market some breathing room. The launch window is gonna continue to be shit however.



             

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Captain_Yuri said:

STEAM Deckl built-in FPS limiter. All steam games playable at minimum of 30 fps.

Neowin: Radeon RX 6600 XT MSRP is 349 USD, RX 6600 to cost 299 USD

https://videocardz.com/newz/neowin-radeon-rx-6600-xt-msrp-is-349-usd-rx-6600-to-cost-299-usd

Of course, it is still supposed to be AIBs only which if that is the case, the MSRP doesn't matter much as AIBs generally charge well above MSRP. But if true, at least AMD's intention with the MSRP is less wtf. I get the feeling that a 3060 Ti will continue to be the best bang per buck.

As much as I dislike 30fps, if it's a solid lock, then that would be something of an option. If it's 30fps semi lock and it can drop further below that, then it won't be much of a decent option to go for, I'd just rather lower settings if that were to be the case. 



Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

STEAM Deckl built-in FPS limiter. All steam games playable at minimum of 30 fps.

Neowin: Radeon RX 6600 XT MSRP is 349 USD, RX 6600 to cost 299 USD

https://videocardz.com/newz/neowin-radeon-rx-6600-xt-msrp-is-349-usd-rx-6600-to-cost-299-usd

Of course, it is still supposed to be AIBs only which if that is the case, the MSRP doesn't matter much as AIBs generally charge well above MSRP. But if true, at least AMD's intention with the MSRP is less wtf. I get the feeling that a 3060 Ti will continue to be the best bang per buck.

As much as I dislike 30fps, if it's a solid lock, then that would be something of an option. If it's 30fps semi lock and it can drop further below that, then it won't be much of a decent option to go for, I'd just rather lower settings if that were to be the case. 

Yea I think it's all about setting expectations. If every AAA game is do able at 30fps on a handheld, that is quite the achievement. I am sure you will be able to get more if you adjust the settings and etc but it's good that they have a built in frame rate limiter as in engine fps limiters can be janky.



             

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Captain_Yuri said:

GPU-breaking scenario found, reproduced and tested - EVGA GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090 and (not only) New World | Tests | igor´sLAB

https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-not-only-new-world-when-the-graphics-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/

It seems to be a faulty fan controller raising one of the fans RPM to crazy levels. Now obviously in actuality, no fan can go that high but he does report that you can actually hear that one fan ramping up to 100%. The card also ignores the manual fan settings so even if you set it to 50%, it will still ramp up well above that. There is also this quite:

"However, it also happens in this game that the fans keep howling and you have to close the game immediately before a blackout and the well-known emergency shutdown happens shortly after. In this case, the only thing that can be done is to disconnect the computer from the mains and wait a few seconds to be able to boot it again. This in turn indicates an emergency shutdown by the power supply, which proves that the card must have demanded an abnormal amount of power in this situation."

Personally, after trying to read the article a few times, I am still not quite certain what causes the card to stop working. Since the article is translated from German, it's not the easiest thing to read. A fan controller reporting faulty numbers and fans ramping up to 100% shouldn't cause the cards to die. It could be due to abnormal amount of power but then it should be affecting other 3000 series cards as well to the same extent but we know that it's mainly the Evga FTW3 cards that are the issue. Could be that FTW3 has some terrible power delivery systems but it's hard to tell reading the article. Hopefully GN or someone will give us more clarity.

It's EVGA's fan controller going totally haywire.

It tries to get the performance up... by increasing fan speed to 6 digits. This results in the fan #1 spinning at above 100% fan speed, yet it's still not enough to reach what the fan controller tells it to do, so it pulls enormous power trying to reach what it's getting told. Enormous power as in, pulling a comparable amount to the GPU chip itself. Of course the fans can't take that for more than a few seconds, and even the boards struggle with so much current flowing through them.

Also, they are calling out EVGA for saying that since the patch, it doesn't happen anymore, but it still does, as their test and the screenshot with those 6-digitfan speeds are from after being patched.

Finally, it's not just New World. It also affects their cards in other games, like Anno 1800 for instance. In their test, Anno often made the fans spin up to 100% and dropped down again immediately after. But rarely, the fan speed didn't drop down, and the PSU's overvoltage protection stepped in and shut down the PC to save the hardware.

tl;dr: Don't buy EVGA



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

GPU-breaking scenario found, reproduced and tested - EVGA GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090 and (not only) New World | Tests | igor´sLAB

https://www.igorslab.de/en/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-not-only-new-world-when-the-graphics-card-goes-amok-because-of-design-failures/

It seems to be a faulty fan controller raising one of the fans RPM to crazy levels. Now obviously in actuality, no fan can go that high but he does report that you can actually hear that one fan ramping up to 100%. The card also ignores the manual fan settings so even if you set it to 50%, it will still ramp up well above that. There is also this quite:

"However, it also happens in this game that the fans keep howling and you have to close the game immediately before a blackout and the well-known emergency shutdown happens shortly after. In this case, the only thing that can be done is to disconnect the computer from the mains and wait a few seconds to be able to boot it again. This in turn indicates an emergency shutdown by the power supply, which proves that the card must have demanded an abnormal amount of power in this situation."

Personally, after trying to read the article a few times, I am still not quite certain what causes the card to stop working. Since the article is translated from German, it's not the easiest thing to read. A fan controller reporting faulty numbers and fans ramping up to 100% shouldn't cause the cards to die. It could be due to abnormal amount of power but then it should be affecting other 3000 series cards as well to the same extent but we know that it's mainly the Evga FTW3 cards that are the issue. Could be that FTW3 has some terrible power delivery systems but it's hard to tell reading the article. Hopefully GN or someone will give us more clarity.

It's EVGA's fan controller going totally haywire.

It tries to get the performance up... by increasing fan speed to 6 digits. This results in the fan #1 spinning at above 100% fan speed, yet it's still not enough to reach what the fan controller tells it to do, so it pulls enormous power trying to reach what it's getting told. Enormous power as in, pulling a comparable amount to the GPU chip itself. Of course the fans can't take that for more than a few seconds, and even the boards struggle with so much current flowing through them.

Also, they are calling out EVGA for saying that since the patch, it doesn't happen anymore, but it still does, as their test and the screenshot with those 6-digitfan speeds are from after being patched.

Finally, it's not just New World. It also affects their cards in other games, like Anno 1800 for instance. In their test, Anno often made the fans spin up to 100% and dropped down again immediately after. But rarely, the fan speed didn't drop down, and the PSU's overvoltage protection stepped in and shut down the PC to save the hardware.

tl;dr: Don't buy EVGA

Thanks for the explanation!



             

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Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

It's EVGA's fan controller going totally haywire.

It tries to get the performance up... by increasing fan speed to 6 digits. This results in the fan #1 spinning at above 100% fan speed, yet it's still not enough to reach what the fan controller tells it to do, so it pulls enormous power trying to reach what it's getting told. Enormous power as in, pulling a comparable amount to the GPU chip itself. Of course the fans can't take that for more than a few seconds, and even the boards struggle with so much current flowing through them.

Also, they are calling out EVGA for saying that since the patch, it doesn't happen anymore, but it still does, as their test and the screenshot with those 6-digitfan speeds are from after being patched.

Finally, it's not just New World. It also affects their cards in other games, like Anno 1800 for instance. In their test, Anno often made the fans spin up to 100% and dropped down again immediately after. But rarely, the fan speed didn't drop down, and the PSU's overvoltage protection stepped in and shut down the PC to save the hardware.

tl;dr: Don't buy EVGA

Thanks for the explanation!

You're welcome.

One thing I didn't mention before is why NVidia seems to be more affected despite EVGA making GPUs for both AMD and NVidia. It's not only due to market share, but on how and where power gets measured.

AMD measures power directly at the gates of the GPU, while NVidia measures all the incoming and outgoing electric transmissions of the card. This not only results in different ways to define the TDP or TGP of their cards, but also how fast these measurements are. IN AMD's case, they're very fast as they measure at the source and can immediately act on it, but can nontheless get overwhelmed, especially with higher clock speeds outpacing the controllers.

NVidia's way of measuring everything coming in and out of the card instead of the GPU proper is coming with a natural delay. This delay is at the source of the ramping up the fans to 100% and then dropping down again almost immediately after.

And while I have no proof, I do think that if the controller gets overwhelmed while ramping up to 100+%, it stays that way and causes the bricking of the cards unless power is cut in time.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Thanks for the explanation!

You're welcome.

One thing I didn't mention before is why NVidia seems to be more affected despite EVGA making GPUs for both AMD and NVidia. It's not only due to market share, but on how and where power gets measured.

AMD measures power directly at the gates of the GPU, while NVidia measures all the incoming and outgoing electric transmissions of the card. This not only results in different ways to define the TDP or TGP of their cards, but also how fast these measurements are. IN AMD's case, they're very fast as they measure at the source and can immediately act on it, but can nontheless get overwhelmed, especially with higher clock speeds outpacing the controllers.

NVidia's way of measuring everything coming in and out of the card instead of the GPU proper is coming with a natural delay. This delay is at the source of the ramping up the fans to 100% and then dropping down again almost immediately after.

And while I have no proof, I do think that if the controller gets overwhelmed while ramping up to 100+%, it stays that way and causes the bricking of the cards unless power is cut in time.

Actually Evga doesn't make AMD GPUs, the only make Nvidia GPUs. Evga is starting to make AMD motherboards though.



             

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Its so frustrating.
3060s (and TIs) are still around twice MSRP.

And my 360 controller is dying and those are sadly not available anymore.
Should have bought one as a reserve back then. Now most of them are wireless + stupid expensive and sincerely fuck that shit.
Are there any good wired controllers out there with an USB 2.0 connector?



Marth said:

Its so frustrating.
3060s (and TIs) are still around twice MSRP.

And my 360 controller is dying and those are sadly not available anymore.
Should have bought one as a reserve back then. Now most of them are wireless + stupid expensive and sincerely fuck that shit.
Are there any good wired controllers out there with an USB 2.0 connector?

I'd suggest this one here: https://www.alternate.lu/PDP/Gaming-Wired-Controller-Ghost-White-Gamepad/html/product/1739888 (also available in black or blue)

I don't have a 360, but it's listed here on the list of the 15 best 360 controllers (#10), and the list is not even a month old, so I guess it's good.