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Here's a comparison that I wanted to see as I am in the market for buying an ultrabook for work that can play games from time to time. The new XPS 17 with a 2060 Max Q vs Macbook Pro 16 with the $700 5600M upgrade. The 5600M does come with 40CUs clocked at around 1ghz and HBM2 so I was pretty interested to see how it performs even with the terrible upgrade pricing.

Spoiler: XPS beats the Macbook pro 16 in both CPU and GPU performance. The CPU is a 10th gen 8 core vs 9th gen 8 core however. Oh and the XPS costs a lot $2,850 vs Macbook Pro costs $3,499!



             

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*** NEW CONTEST ***

Hexus has launched a new contest with a Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Super GP Premium as the prize:

https://hexus.net/tech/features/graphics/143899-win-palit-geforce-rtx-2070-super-gp-premium/

Sadly, this contest is only open for UK and Europe.



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So HZD's price just jumped up from £32 to £40.

I was gonna wait for a sale later this year, but fuck Sony for pulling that shit during the live pre-orders, that's some scummy shit.



                                       



             

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Captain_Yuri said:
Too bad about 3000 series not being 7nm but as with a lot of Nvidia gpus in the past, they have had great performance even with being a node or two behind. Hopefully they will continue that trend.

Don't take to much stock in the "nm" marketing culture, they aren't representative of actual geometry sizes of transistors anymore.

In this instance though, Samsungs "8nm" is based on their 10nm process but with a few refinements. - It's very cheap to build large chips for... And it's also great for automotive industries, which consequently is a market that nVidia is pushing very hard into.

The thing with automotive chips/fab processes is that they have higher temperature tolerances (I.E. 105'C), so that could be interesting when it comes time to cool Ampere, there is also tighter tolerances for defects and variation tolerances, it's actually not a bad process to build a GPU that chases clockrates.

8nm for an idea provides about a 10% area/power scaling from 10nm DUV.

What this means for nVidia though is that they are likely going to rely on superior architectural efficiencies to keep their performance edge over AMD, something which they have maintained an advantage in for years anyway.




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Gonna need a new GPU soon, this year if I could choose, but I'm waiting for a new generation to provide a bigger leap. Buying an expensive GPU now which can't pull off proper ray-tracing without taking a massive performance hit seems stupid (I learned something about that with Nvidia Hairworks when I bought my current GPU). Also hoping that the Corona crisis would inflate prices too badly, premium GPU's are already pricey here.



Mummelmann said:
Gonna need a new GPU soon, this year if I could choose, but I'm waiting for a new generation to provide a bigger leap. Buying an expensive GPU now which can't pull off proper ray-tracing without taking a massive performance hit seems stupid (I learned something about that with Nvidia Hairworks when I bought my current GPU). Also hoping that the Corona crisis would inflate prices too badly, premium GPU's are already pricey here.

For sure though massive jumps aren't going to be that apparent unless you are pushing more effects like RT or higher resolution. Ampere is looking to offer at least 30% more perf over previous equivalent Volta GPU's, at high end if we are going by leaks. Probably 30-45% across the range. Though the massive improvements are going to machine learning which should boost RT performance and DLSS 3.0. Which is worth it and then some. A RTX 3060 for example should be on par with RTX 2080 at 4K with RT enabled, and DLSS (1080p internal). With more games supporting DLSS and mid tier cards getting even better this upcoming generation should see a huge uptake in 4k gaming as a result.

Really rooting for AMD to bring some competition back in GPU market though. We need a Ryzen moment to shake things up. Maybe if the new GPU's co-insides with DirectML supported games things will get much more interesting. Because Big Navi does seem to be pushing the performance front and wanting to offer good value.

Also, it makes for cheaper options display options such as 4K TV's as you are now able to push high FPS at 4K which simply was not possible this generation.





             

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Mummelmann said:
Gonna need a new GPU soon, this year if I could choose, but I'm waiting for a new generation to provide a bigger leap. Buying an expensive GPU now which can't pull off proper ray-tracing without taking a massive performance hit seems stupid (I learned something about that with Nvidia Hairworks when I bought my current GPU). Also hoping that the Corona crisis would inflate prices too badly, premium GPU's are already pricey here.

I also feared that the Corona crisis could rise the price but, since there's also an economic crisis, raising prices could be counterproductive. Maybe some parts rise in price, like RAM, but I think *hope* that GPUs aren't, i only because they're already f*cking expensive.

hinch said:
Mummelmann said:
Gonna need a new GPU soon, this year if I could choose, but I'm waiting for a new generation to provide a bigger leap. Buying an expensive GPU now which can't pull off proper ray-tracing without taking a massive performance hit seems stupid (I learned something about that with Nvidia Hairworks when I bought my current GPU). Also hoping that the Corona crisis would inflate prices too badly, premium GPU's are already pricey here.

For sure though massive jumps aren't going to be that apparent unless you are pushing more effects like RT or higher resolution. Ampere is looking to offer at least 30% more perf over previous equivalent Volta GPU's, at high end if we are going by leaks. Probably 30-45% across the range. Though the massive improvements are going to machine learning which should boost RT performance and DLSS 3.0. Which is worth it and then some. A RTX 3060 for example should be on par with RTX 2080 at 4K with RT enabled, and DLSS (1080p internal). With more games supporting DLSS and mid tier cards getting even better this upcoming generation should see a huge uptake in 4k gaming as a result.

Really rooting for AMD to bring some competition back in GPU market though. We need a Ryzen moment to shake things up. Maybe if the new GPU's co-insides with DirectML supported games things will get much more interesting. Because Big Navi does seem to be pushing the performance front and wanting to offer good value.

Also, it makes for cheaper options display options such as 4K TV's as you are now able to push high FPS at 4K which simply was not possible this generation.

That 2070 Super from the contest I posted could give a 50% increase in performance over my 1070. Add DLSS so I play at 1440p while rendering the game at 720p and that card could last me the whole next gen consoles. An RTX 3060, if it has more than 6GB, would just make it a walk in the park, even with Ray Tracing.

I also hope AMD can bring some more heat to Nvidia and make prices go down to more reasonable levels.

Captain_Yuri said:
**image**

Get a proper M.2 drive and that won't happen until after... 60 or 70GB.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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