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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Cod Modern Warfare now exceeds 200GB install size... What's going to be next gen? 300GB? 400GB? 500GB? Jeez

I've been mulling over this issue for a whiler now and it got me thinking of something:

We have GaaS right?. Publishers/devs competing with one another to keep gamers attention to their game, trying to make us play and engage with them more, so they gain more money/attention focus than their competition. 

So far we've had things like Battle passes, Streaming exclusivity deals, follwing streamer bonuses and mini content drops over the years. What else could they possibly do, that gives them a leg up over their competitors?.

simple, increase the filesize, forcing gamers to actually firmly choose which game to install and commit to playing. Yeah I don't think that's the sole and core reason why we're seeing these games inflate in size, but I think it is going to produce some lop-sided competition, when all those big games everyone's always hype for, comes out at a whopping 200-400gb filesize, and then you have to factor in the ppl who don't have tb upon tb of storage and have to actually choose (then you also gotta account for ppl with shitty and capped net, again forcing them to choose harshly).

Yea the storage requirements gonna be crazy and I wouldn't put that tactic beneath them. My current internet is 150mb/s which was pretty fast a couple years ago and could download entire games without having to wait very long. Now? It would take me a while to redownload CodMw to the point where I won't even bother uninstalling it. Can't imagine what it would be like for people who have 25mb/s or even 5mb/s.

Not to mention those god damn 20-30GB patches... Come on Activision...



             

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Also here's what Amazon Game Studios has been working on. It's PC only as of right now:



             

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Captain_Yuri said:
JEMC said:

Last week there was another Zen 3 rumor at Wccftech, claiming an up to 20% IPC increase.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4000-zen-3-vermeer-7nm-desktop-cpus-20-percent-ipc-rumor/

Given that AMD said that Zen 3 would focus on power efficiency, I don't this rumor, but we'll see.

Yea that's true. Rumours do fee like speculation most of the time but here's hoping! I would love for AMD to catch up on clocks and go for the jugular against Intel.

Well, those engineering samples are clocked like the current parts they'll replace in September (i feverything goes well). Retail parts could easily be 200MHz faster, closing the gap with Intel even more.



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Captain_Yuri said:

And one of the most important news of the day. AMD Backtracks on their Zen 3 compatibility! B450 and X470 boards will support Zen 3. Rip X370 people like me though T_T (Not that I was planning to upgrade until DDR5)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards

  1. We will develop and enable our motherboard partners with the code to support “Zen 3”-based processors in select beta BIOSes for AMD B450 and X470 motherboards.
  2. These optional BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
  3. The select beta BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen Processors with “Zen 3,” coming later this year. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported.
  4. To reduce the potential for confusion, our intent is to offer BIOS download only to verified customers of 400 Series motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a bootable processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
  5. Timing and availability of the BIOS updates will vary and may not immediately coincide with the availability of the first “Zen 3”-based processors.
  6. This is the final pathway AMD can enable for 400 Series motherboards to add new CPU support. CPU releases beyond “Zen 3” will require a newer motherboard.
  7. AMD continues to recommend that customers choose an AMD 500 Series motherboard for the best performance and features with our new CPUs.

With only 16 MiB there was little else that AMD could do to keep their perceived promise (the promised support through 2020, which they did). Most probably will cut support for Zen/Zen+ to give space for the support of Zen3.

Waiting for B550 anyway for my new build, so this doesn't affect me. But it's a nice move from AMD to even allow something like this.

JEMC said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Cod Modern Warfare now exceeds 200GB install size... What's going to be next gen? 300GB? 400GB? 500GB? Jeez

Also some initial leaks for Zen 3. Take it with a grain of salt.

"According to the sources, exactly 4.6 GHz boost clock and 4.0 GHz base clock are hidden behind the number sequence 46/40 on the eight-core, while the 16-core is also listed with 4.6 Ghz boost and only 3.7 base clock. These values are of course anything but final and one could expect the predicted clock increases for the A1 revision at the latest. How high these will be, is not yet known.

— Source: Igor’sLAB"

https://wccftech.com/amds-next-generation-zen-3-vermeer-desktop-cpus-leaked-expected-to-launch-in-september/

Game sizes are all over the place, with some really insane numbers.

Last week there was another Zen 3 rumor at Wccftech, claiming an up to 20% IPC increase.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4000-zen-3-vermeer-7nm-desktop-cpus-20-percent-ipc-rumor/

Given that AMD said that Zen 3 would focus on power efficiency, I don't this rumor, but we'll see.

AMD also said that Zen3 would an increase in line with a proper architectural change. Considering that preliminary results for a Zen 3 Epyc had shown (I think that was late last year) that the increase back then was between 4 and 56% over Zen 2 depending on the task and that it averaged 17% back then already, I do think 20% is completely in the realm of possible.

And like Redgamingtech or Moore's Law is dead (can't remember which one of the two) said, base clock was up by 300 mhz in those server chips, which is pretty huge in that domain, but also said that due to a steeper consumption curve, max clock speed was virtually unchanged, so those 4.6 Ghz also reflect that information from back then.

In any case, if true, then Intel is in deep shit. Rocket Lake will most probably come out after, still have less IPC than AMD if true, comes with only 8 cores and is reportedly already burning over 215W to clock high enough to create enough distance to Comet Lake. In other words, they'll have to wait until Alder Lake and hope that it's big.LITTLE approach there will play out well.

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We should thanks ht motherboard vendors, that were the ones that said that they would try to find a solution for that, and it seems like they've convinced AMD to allow it, but probably on some selected motherboards.



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Captain_Yuri said:

Also here's what Amazon Game Studios has been working on. It's PC only as of right now:

Yet another BR focused game

I'm out, and going by Amazon's typical line up a BR game and a PVP focused MMO, I guess I'm out of whatever the hell they have in store.

Is it so much to ask for an ARPG, RTS or a story driven first person RPG game these days?. Why's it gotta be BR, extremely CoD levels of intoxicated hardcore roided PVP, turn based/hex based or an MMO trying to steal what little left they can from WoW's PVP community.

We have an insane, bloody godlike insane plethora of PVP games right now, even for BR fans. What have I got?, like maybe two ARPG's to look forward to, and one RTS from MS within the next 1-2 years.

See this is why I'm finding myself gaming less and less each month, because it feels like there's jack all for me to really sink my teeth into. Feels like we've gone from "let's make a game for X crowd, then next game for Y crowd and Z crowd" to "let's just makes games for two of the most over saturated audiences and focus on them till the stars die out". 

I feel like I'm asking for the sun to burn itself out, just to get more than one RTS game, more than two ARPG's and more than just one honest to god, good first person RPG game.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just getting stupidly salty at the fact that BR fans, turn based, third person and MMO fans getting a banquet feast each year, while I sit here with scraps for 5 years a pop. 



                                       

Chazore said:

Yet another BR focused game

I'm out, and going by Amazon's typical line up a BR game and a PVP focused MMO, I guess I'm out of whatever the hell they have in store.

Is it so much to ask for an ARPG, RTS or a story driven first person RPG game these days?. Why's it gotta be BR, extremely CoD levels of intoxicated hardcore roided PVP, turn based/hex based or an MMO trying to steal what little left they can from WoW's PVP community.

We have an insane, bloody godlike insane plethora of PVP games right now, even for BR fans. What have I got?, like maybe two ARPG's to look forward to, and one RTS from MS within the next 1-2 years.

See this is why I'm finding myself gaming less and less each month, because it feels like there's jack all for me to really sink my teeth into. Feels like we've gone from "let's make a game for X crowd, then next game for Y crowd and Z crowd" to "let's just makes games for two of the most over saturated audiences and focus on them till the stars die out". 

I feel like I'm asking for the sun to burn itself out, just to get more than one RTS game, more than two ARPG's and more than just one honest to god, good first person RPG game.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just getting stupidly salty at the fact that BR fans, turn based, third person and MMO fans getting a banquet feast each year, while I sit here with scraps for 5 years a pop. 

Pretty much. It's why I can't wait for Age of Empires VI. I hope to shit MS doesn't fuck this up cause there hasn't been a fap worthy RTS game for a long time.



             

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pemalite said:

PCI-E 3.0, Sata 3, DDR3 Quad channel, 3930K.

Yeah, but DDR3 is dead by now, meaning any change in Memory would cost you an arm and a leg now, and it has no M.2. Which is what I meant with hopelessly outdated performance, upgrading that PC is, apart from the GPU or some extension card, pretty much impossible by now. And PCI-E 3.0 could soon become another limiting factor for GPUs.

Also, little error from myself: The 3820 is still a 4c/8t, only the 3930K and up are 6c/12t.

It also shows how stagnant the PC CPU market was when AMD was a non-factor. On the GPU side, we're far away from Kepler or GCN 1 GPUs that were probably originally in your build, but on the CPU side, the evolution was so much slower that your chip is still a viable option for both gaming and content creation to this day.

Quad Channel DDR3 1866 is still faster than dual chanel DDR4 3200.

DDR3 might be dead, but it's an old system and still capable of running the latest games with the occasional GPU upgrade, the memory bandwidth is still "hanging in there" with your average mid-range PC.

Been keeping an eye out for a cheap Xeon E5-2690 v2 and upgrading it to 10-cores, 20 threads with a max clock of 3.6ghz, can usually get them for under $300 AUD if you are patient enough.

Captain_Yuri said:

Cod Modern Warfare now exceeds 200GB install size... What's going to be next gen? 300GB? 400GB? 500GB? Jeez

Also some initial leaks for Zen 3. Take it with a grain of salt.

"According to the sources, exactly 4.6 GHz boost clock and 4.0 GHz base clock are hidden behind the number sequence 46/40 on the eight-core, while the 16-core is also listed with 4.6 Ghz boost and only 3.7 base clock. These values are of course anything but final and one could expect the predicted clock increases for the A1 revision at the latest. How high these will be, is not yet known.

— Source: Igor’sLAB"

https://wccftech.com/amds-next-generation-zen-3-vermeer-desktop-cpus-leaked-expected-to-launch-in-september/

Doesn't that include the free-to-play game mode data though?

JEMC said:
We should thanks ht motherboard vendors, that were the ones that said that they would try to find a solution for that, and it seems like they've convinced AMD to allow it, but probably on some selected motherboards.

Yeah. Basically AMD is going to hand the issue over to motherboard vendors to work around it.

I am going to assume that some boards will just have a BIOS that will support a "range" of chips and you need to swap between them for different CPU's.

Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty much. It's why I can't wait for Age of Empires VI. I hope to shit MS doesn't fuck this up cause there hasn't been a fap worthy RTS game for a long time.

Age of Empires is doing really well during the COVID era right now as well.

They shouldn't have closed down Ensemble.



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Pemalite said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Yeah, but DDR3 is dead by now, meaning any change in Memory would cost you an arm and a leg now, and it has no M.2. Which is what I meant with hopelessly outdated performance, upgrading that PC is, apart from the GPU or some extension card, pretty much impossible by now. And PCI-E 3.0 could soon become another limiting factor for GPUs.

Also, little error from myself: The 3820 is still a 4c/8t, only the 3930K and up are 6c/12t.

It also shows how stagnant the PC CPU market was when AMD was a non-factor. On the GPU side, we're far away from Kepler or GCN 1 GPUs that were probably originally in your build, but on the CPU side, the evolution was so much slower that your chip is still a viable option for both gaming and content creation to this day.

Quad Channel DDR3 1866 is still faster than dual chanel DDR4 3200.

DDR3 might be dead, but it's an old system and still capable of running the latest games with the occasional GPU upgrade, the memory bandwidth is still "hanging in there" with your average mid-range PC.

Been keeping an eye out for a cheap Xeon E5-2690 v2 and upgrading it to 10-cores, 20 threads with a max clock of 3.6ghz, can usually get them for under $300 AUD if you are patient enough.

Captain_Yuri said:

Cod Modern Warfare now exceeds 200GB install size... What's going to be next gen? 300GB? 400GB? 500GB? Jeez

Also some initial leaks for Zen 3. Take it with a grain of salt.

"According to the sources, exactly 4.6 GHz boost clock and 4.0 GHz base clock are hidden behind the number sequence 46/40 on the eight-core, while the 16-core is also listed with 4.6 Ghz boost and only 3.7 base clock. These values are of course anything but final and one could expect the predicted clock increases for the A1 revision at the latest. How high these will be, is not yet known.

— Source: Igor’sLAB"

https://wccftech.com/amds-next-generation-zen-3-vermeer-desktop-cpus-leaked-expected-to-launch-in-september/

Doesn't that include the free-to-play game mode data though?

Captain_Yuri said:

Pretty much. It's why I can't wait for Age of Empires VI. I hope to shit MS doesn't fuck this up cause there hasn't been a fap worthy RTS game for a long time.

Age of Empires is doing really well during the COVID era right now as well.

They shouldn't have closed down Ensemble.

It does but I wish that thing was optional. I never had any interest in battle royal games and all it's doing is taking up space. I liked when Cod was on steam and they separated single player and multiplayer downloads so if you finished the SP or you don't want to bother with MP, you didn't need to install it. The new Cod is like, here's a game mode that is completely separate from the normal MP and it's filled with cheaters since it's free to play but you gotta install it anyway even if you don't use it. It's like an additional 20-30GB if you own Codmw.

And yea, I miss Ensemble days T_T

It was also a shame when EA closed westwood studios as they are doing C&C remasters now.



             

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Captain_Yuri said:
Pemalite said:

Age of Empires is doing really well during the COVID era right now as well.

They shouldn't have closed down Ensemble.

And yea, I miss Ensemble days T_T

It was also a shame when EA closed westwood studios as they are doing C&C remasters now.

That's because RTS games were not selling as well as they did before. But they didn't blame it on the fact that the quality had diminished, and instead pinned it on lower customer interest and closed down the studios. They did the same with other genres in the past, but RTS is getting a second chance now, probably due to the successes of Starcaft 2 and Ashes of Singularity. Not my favorite genre, but I'm happy for every fan of it to come back now.