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Forums - Gaming - WiiU and Vita owners, can we all agree that both consoles are similarly disastrous and move on?

 

Can we make peace?

Never! WiiU is slightly l... 203 48.22%
 
Never! Vita is marginally... 106 25.18%
 
I'm a dirty hippie and b... 86 20.43%
 
I'm a MS fan and I'm lo... 26 6.18%
 
Total:421

From the poll choices to the OP it's clear this is just a flamebait thread. It's just ridiculous to think the WiiU is disasterous when WiiU has NONE of its software sellers meanwhile, Vita has been getting the support more and more (not to mention the drastic price cut) and is STILL tanking. 

Let's not promote ignorance guys just because you prefer one company to another (even if that's the only thing people do on this forum).



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Well so far the Wii U is in first place though... Oh well..



 

Kazus said:

From the poll choices to the OP it's clear this is just a flamebait thread. It's just ridiculous to think the WiiU is disasterous when WiiU has NONE of its software sellers meanwhile, Vita has been getting the support more and more (not to mention the drastic price cut) and is STILL tanking. 

Let's not promote ignorance guys just because you prefer one company to another (even if that's the only thing people do on this forum).

I constantly hear wait until it receives more Mario games.  There is a Mario game.  So saying it has none of its system sellers is bs. 

And the Vita's drastic price cut?  You mean the price cut that's hit on only a single region which it's been doing decent in since?

You end your post with let's not promote ignorance, basically contradicting your own post.



kupomogli said:
Kazus said:

From the poll choices to the OP it's clear this is just a flamebait thread. It's just ridiculous to think the WiiU is disasterous when WiiU has NONE of its software sellers meanwhile, Vita has been getting the support more and more (not to mention the drastic price cut) and is STILL tanking. 

Let's not promote ignorance guys just because you prefer one company to another (even if that's the only thing people do on this forum).

I constantly hear wait until it receives more Mario games.  There is a Mario game.  So saying it has none of its system sellers is bs. 

And the Vita's drastic price cut?  You mean the price cut that's hit on only a single region which it's been doing decent in since?

You end your post with let's not promote ignorance, basically contradicting your own post.

2D Mario games are popular, but they don't necessarily accrue enough hype in today's market to justify buying the most expensive console with the smallest library. They're evergreen games. And he didn't just say "Mario games", he said system sellers, of which Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and the "Wii-line" also apply. So while it would be correct to clarify that it has indeed had one big name game, WiiU still has important cards to play.

Vita's price cut resulting in only decent sustained sales in what is undoubtedly its strongest market is not an encouraging sign. How much do you expect its sales to improve when it receives its price drop in the west? What games will they have to sustain decent sales? Face it - the Vita, while a good product, is also an undeniably niche product in today's market. WiiU may never be the darling of the industry but it's certainly not in the same boat as the Vita in that regard.

So no, he does not contradict himself at all because his points are perfectly valid. Both systems are struggling now, but the WiiU has not yet passed the point of no return. It'll take a lot of work to significantly turnaround WiiU but for the Vita it would take a miracle.



kupomogli said:
I constantly hear wait until it receives more Mario games.  There is a Mario game.  So saying it has none of its system sellers is bs. 

And the Vita's drastic price cut?  You mean the price cut that's hit on only a single region which it's been doing decent in since?

You end your post with let's not promote ignorance, basically contradicting your own post.

I said "software sellers" NOT Mario games because if you weren't busy being offended by my post, you would realize the Mario game released was in the NSMB series. That game isn't what most people would call (nor consider) a system seller so, let's not even go there. By system sellers, I mean what numerous people in this thread mentioned, Zelda, Smash Bros. and more.

Next, the "drastic price cut" only stabilized mediocore sales in the US. It's still tanking elsewhere and the stabilized sales aren't impressive at this point for Vita's situation or am I wrong? Please correct me with more opinions (hence the reason I didn't even want to mention the price cut in my inital post and opted to place it in parathesis).

Your post literally was the lamest attempt at making me seem like I don't have a point while proving my point further. Fans will dig up any irrelevant piece of info and try to flip it so it seems like they know what they're talking about  (A Mario title selling Wii U? The price cut being in one region improving the overall horrible sales? Really now?).

The fact remains, Wii U has YET to see it's best software (OR EVEN the great software) that helps to boost console sales. Meanwhile, PSVita already has seen some great software, had the price cut and still remains a non-factor. At least in the long run, Wii U will still have a spot in the 8th gen race when the software starts rolling in to compete against PS4 & X720 no matter what is taking place now. On the other side of things, Vita is already half way to the morgue with 3DS sponsering the funeral.

Or am I still contradicting myself? 



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Next, the "drastic price cut" only stabilized mediocore sales in the US. It's still tanking elsewhere and the stabilized sales aren't impressive at this point for Vita's situation or am I wrong? Please correct me with more opinions (hence the reason I didn't even want to mention the price cut in my inital post and opted to place it in parathesis).


You mean Japan right? In the US, the Vita hasn't moved from the RRP. However the Wii U has dropped by £100 here in the UK, so now it is cheaper for me to go and get a Wii U than a Vita. Ultimately the Wii U has had more of a price cut than the Vita.

Like the thread says, they are similarly disastrous so don't pretend the Wii U is doing any better than appallingly. But they have different issues and both can be saved, the Wii U just needs games and the Vita a price cut.



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Osc89 said:
You mean Japan right? In the US, the Vita hasn't moved from the RRP. However the Wii U has dropped by £100 here in the UK, so now it is cheaper for me to go and get a Wii U than a Vita. Ultimately the Wii U has had more of a price cut than the Vita.

Like the thread says, they are similarly disastrous so don't pretend the Wii U is doing any better than appallingly. But they have different issues and both can be saved, the Wii U just needs games and the Vita a price cut.

No I meant US BUT now that you mention Japan and even UK, you're only proving why the Vita situation isn't even CLOSE to the Wii U. Since people in this thread still can't seem to grasp the differnce.

Wii U

-No Price cut

-Not much software

-Not much GOOD software

-Not much advertising since launch 

-No high-profile titles from existing series yet (This includes 1st + 3rd party + don't even mention the lazy ports of series like Assassin's Creed)

Vita:

-Numerous Price Cuts worldwide

-More than enough software

-More than enough GOOD software

-Numerous attempts at advertising since launch including bundles and individual games

-A fair amount of high-profile titles from existing series (1st + 3rd Party)

What I am trying to get at here is that the Wii U hasn't even BEGUN to try to garner sales. Vita has been trying for a year and still isn't gaining any traction. Sony has played all their cards with Vita, Nintendo has played none of their cards with Wii U. 

In the most simple way I can state it, you're comparing a ripe apple to a half rotten orange. Do you guys understand or what?



Kazus said:
No I meant US BUT now that you mention Japan and even UK, you're only proving why the Vita situation isn't even CLOSE to the Wii U. Since people in this thread still can't seem to grasp the differnce.

Did you follow source links in that link you posted? They lead here, where it is made clear that it was a price cut for select Sony stores in only 10 states. As for the Amazon price in the US, it hasn't ever moved by more than $1. You can't say a very limited promotion is a price cut.

The Wii U however, I can get for £100 off RRP on Amazon, in HMV, Asda and probably elsewhere. It isn't the same as having to go to another state and find a "select Sony store" for a limited time.



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Kazus said:
Osc89 said:
You mean Japan right? In the US, the Vita hasn't moved from the RRP. However the Wii U has dropped by £100 here in the UK, so now it is cheaper for me to go and get a Wii U than a Vita. Ultimately the Wii U has had more of a price cut than the Vita.

Like the thread says, they are similarly disastrous so don't pretend the Wii U is doing any better than appallingly. But they have different issues and both can be saved, the Wii U just needs games and the Vita a price cut.

No I meant US BUT now that you mention Japan and even UK, you're only proving why the Vita situation isn't even CLOSE to the Wii U. Since people in this thread still can't seem to grasp the differnce.

Wii U

-No Price cut

-Not much software

-Not much GOOD software

-Not much advertising since launch 

-No high-profile titles from existing series yet (This includes 1st + 3rd party + don't even mention the lazy ports of series like Assassin's Creed)

Vita:

-Numerous Price Cuts worldwide

-More than enough software

-More than enough GOOD software

-Numerous attempts at advertising since launch including bundles and individual games

-A fair amount of high-profile titles from existing series (1st + 3rd Party)

What I am trying to get at here is that the Wii U hasn't even BEGUN to try to garner sales. Vita has been trying for a year and still isn't gaining any traction. Sony has played all their cards with Vita, Nintendo has played none of their cards with Wii U. 

In the most simple way I can state it, you're comparing a ripe apple to a half rotten orange. Do you guys understand or what?

Wii u: had a mario game,monster hunter,dragon quest,Wario 

Psvita:No monster hunter,no MGS,no  Grand Tursimo 



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

kupomogli said:
Kazus said:

From the poll choices to the OP it's clear this is just a flamebait thread. It's just ridiculous to think the WiiU is disasterous when WiiU has NONE of its software sellers meanwhile, Vita has been getting the support more and more (not to mention the drastic price cut) and is STILL tanking. 

Let's not promote ignorance guys just because you prefer one company to another (even if that's the only thing people do on this forum).

I constantly hear wait until it receives more Mario games.  There is a Mario game.  So saying it has none of its system sellers is bs. 

One Mario game is going to carry the whole console?

Also, NSMBU has sold more than half the number of the WiiU userbase.