Forums - Sales Discussion - Global UP! 26th January 2013

Asriel said:
Vita and Wii U have no major new software releases and neither are being advertised well.

Who in the seven circles of hell expects them to sell well?

The sales are terrible, yes, but without software support people won't buy new systems. Nintendo might have announced some games, but they've given no signal as to when those games will be available. That still leaves Wii U without a major release for the entirety of January and almost all of February, before three or four notable releases (but no major global blockbuster and no major first party title) hit the system.

Nintendo need to hurry up and announce dates for titles like Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, Wonderful 101. It's all well and good saying those titles are coming, but who is going to invest in a system when Nintendo won't even reveal what month those titles are coming out? Things will only get worse before those games are advertised and released.

Look at my sig. Plenty of people did.



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Surreal.

I never expected the Wii U to perform as well as the Wii, but not bad like that, man, not like that...and can you imagine if NSMBU wasn´t available?

I don't think anybody on the chartz predicted this, or at least I didn't see anyone predict it. You'd probably be labelled a hater if you did!

True.

That´s one of the reasons a new generation is exciting..it´s a completely new game, being the 'winner' in a previous generation means very little or nothing if you don´t play your cards right.

Well, I did predict WiiU would only do 30m lifetime and be replaced by 2016 prior to launch. 

However, looking at these post-holiday numbers makes me wonder if I wasn't too generous in that prediction.  Not even the Nintendo-core are buying WiiU.  Not yet anyway.   Desperately needs games.

30 million?...that´s worse than the N64...personally, I see it somewhere between the N64 and the NES, leaning much more towards the former.


I gave a lot of reasons for that.  Basically the gamepad adds too much cost for an otherwise (soon-to-be) out of date system without any of the benefits that the Wiimote or DS's second screen added.    It's seen as neither innovative nor desirable to the majority of people.  If the gamepad adds nothing to gameplay (and for the most part this is true, almost all WiiU games can be played without it, without losing anything really.  Then the only reason to buy one is to eventually play HD 3D Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros....    There is no other reason to get one.  Worse, if PS4/720 launch as comparible price points (likely since they aren't THAT high tech and Sony/MS will almost certainly take a loss on them once again) WiiU is completely f---edI have to ask, what your reaction the first time Nintendo showeed

I have to ask, what was your reaction the first time Nintendo showed the Wii U at E3 2011?...the Wii, in the beginning of the generation, was following in the NES´ footsteps, then in 2010 it shifted to a more "N64/GCN approach", with the exception of DKC Returns...I take it you, as a Wii fan, started feeling 'left out'.

I had huge reservations about it from the start.  In 2004/5 Nintendo was wondering how to get more people to play.  They realized that the dual analog controllers were a huge discouragement for new people to begin playing (kids excepted).  Their solution was the wiimote.   It was admittedly an imperfect solution but it accomplished what Nintendo was after - grew their user base tremendously.    So to see them return to the dual analog controller (albeit with a touch screen attached) was a shock and disappointment. I knew instantly it would flop.  Casuals who didn't like the dual analog before certainly wouldn't like a bigger/bulkier and even more interface confusing one now and core gamers aren't going to take too kindly to the huge touchscreen either.   At that time it wasn't clear then how much the wiimote would continue to be supported though, or price, power, etc. 

Once it became clear that WiiU would be over-priced (because of the gamepad), underpowered (because of the cost of the gamepad), and lacked any killer core or casual launch title I knew it was doomed to Gamecube-like sales. Nintendoland fails because, while the appeal of the wiimote/Wii Sports was obvious, Nintendoland has to be played to see it's appeal and casual's won't want to play with the dual analog gamepad to begin with.    If they were willing to use dual analog they'd get a 360/PS3 with a s---load more games instead.  

WiiU (IMO) is completely and utterly screwed without an audience beyond the Nintendo faithful and I expected them to support WiiU better than what we're seeing.   I imagine once 3D Mario, Kart, Zelda, Smash, etc release the faithful will pick it up but now I'm starting to think it's sales will be closer to 10m as it's 3rd party support will likely be even worse than Gamecube's and GC at least had better tech and lower price than PS2.   WiiU will be substancially weaker than it's competition and likely just as expensive - possibly more, depending on how big a loss MS will take and how big a discount a 2yr XBL subscription will offer.

As a Wii fan I did feel NSMBWii was the last offering Nintendo made for people 'like me'.  Wii Party was 'meh', Wii Motion Plus sucked, and while I personally enjoyed Metroid: Other M and Kirby I'm sure most casuals or semi-core/casuals like me probably didn't look twice at them. Just Dance/Zumba Fitness saved Wii from falling even faster and further than it did.   And frankly Dance Central/Kinect is much better than those.

It's very hard to take you seriously after seeing your wiiU lifetime sales prediction... Do you really think Nintendo are just going to let it die? Do you realise they didn't even start advertising it to the mass audience yet? Do you realise that more games will be coming out for it? And most importantly..... Do you realise it's sold already 2.6M, which means you are predicting that it will sell barely 1.5m per year? Im sorry, but you just lost pretty much your whole credibility.

First off, my prediction is 30m and I'm still standing by that.  But I'd be very happy to be wrong.    However, I expected a lot better sales for this quarter.  This is worse than my own predictions.  Right now it's preforming like a 10m seller not a 30m seller.  Also I predict it's replace by 2016, not 2017 so your calculations are off. Beyond that you are right and I state that once the big games come out sales should increase.

Second, a good launch means nothing for Nintendo consoles.  Yes, it's behind Wii - no surprise.  Did you know it's also a poorer launch than Gamecube's?  Off 50% in the November/December frame and falling fast.   Of course Gamecube also stumbled after it's initially strong launch and required a price cut in it's first year, but I've never seen any (major) console stumble the way WiiU is (and WiiU is already sold at a loss so a price cut is unlikely).   Even Vita, launched aligned, was selling better than these last post-holiday weeks of WiiU.



 

mjk45 said:
Bong Lover said:
CGI-Quality said:
sales2099 said:

"Well considering that with any electronic product, when a new product comes out the older ones fade from the consumers eye and spotlight. Surely you can't argue that. Nintendo gamers have moved on, 360 gamers are eagerly awaiting the next Xbox....I assure you I will give my undivided attention to the next Xbox when it releases. That leaves only PS gamers.....internet minorities at that that will truly care. So mathmatically and given the consumer perception of product lifecycles in the capitalist electronics market, you can argue that most people won't care when PS3 passes 360 after November."

Using common sense, I at least have a basis for arguing that most gamers won't care post November. You, neglecting how the electronics market works, sidestepped that and accused me of focusing on the minority gamers.

(Edit: Also PC gamers won't care, forgot about them).

That in tiself doesn't discredit them being a statistical minority, merely accusing me of picking on them specifically. I reasoned that they are easily accessible, a sound response I think. Its easy.

I have a basis to say only a tiny minority of gamers will care post November. You don't. No further debate necessary indeed.

Again, I gave you Business Protocol 101. All you did was tell me that the majority of people will have moved on (a truth, but not the full story). Of course many gamers will have moved on, but I never argued against that, because that goes without saying. In the corporate world, though, the numbers will not be forgetten, minimized, or ignored (what I've said from the beginning). You weren't "sidestepped", you just heard the argument you wanted to hear and skipped what was relevant. You took one look at this week's numbers and decided that, by November, this will all suddenly vanish and it just doesn't work like that. Take it from a guy with an industry position, it's talked about much more than you think.

Nevertheless, the easiest way to solve this problem - agree to disagree.

Business Protocol 101? In the corporate world even fewer people will care when/if the PS3 sells more units than the 360. At least in the deep corners of the internet somewhere there will be a person here and a person there who acctually thinks it has any relevance. In the corporate world however the thing they will look at is : The PS3 lost x million dollars, the Xbox 360 made y million dollars. And that is all they will care ab

If thats the case following your it's all about profit theme, the thing the corporate world must be looking at is , the xbox lost xbillions and the xbox 360 with rrod losses taken into account means MS's game division is still deep in the red.

PS3 lost billions more from 06-09. Simply, 360 profited more this gen and PS3 lost more billions this gen.



 

 

Oh God... GT5 is up again (~4k).

GT5 (Week 114)

Sold 19,035 (+21%) units in this week.

8,686,344 LTD.

88,026 in 2013. 1,551,006 in 2012. 1,783,148 in 2011. 5,264,164 in 2010.

Up from 30th to 30th.

Lowest week: 9,628 (Week 24)

Highest week: 2,335,820 (Week 1)

Average: 76,196 per week



Ouch! Wii U is doing even worse than I thought. As the moderation on this site dictates, I have no feelings whatsoever towards wii u sales or that the fact that 360 sold more than wii+wiiu combined.



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ethomaz said:

Oh God... GT5 is up again (~4k).

GT5 (Week 114)

Sold 19,035 (+21%) units in this week.

8,686,344 LTD.

88,026 in 2013. 1,551,006 in 2012. 1,783,148 in 2011. 5,264,164 in 2010.

Up from 30th to 30th.

Lowest week: 9,628 (Week 24)

Highest week: 2,335,820 (Week 1)

Average: 76,196 per week

where did a new gt academy start this time on tv?



crissindahouse said:

where did a new gt academy start this time on tv?

The SPIKE TV shows live the national finals but there are no schedule yet.

The ITV4 made a serie of six expisodes about the GTA 2012... the first episodie goes to air yesterday... every Mondays at 8pm will be showed a new episode. Each episode will be repeated on Saturday early evening and Sunday morning slots.

More info: http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/news/academy/d57721.html



pezus said:
Asriel said:
Vita and Wii U have no major new software releases and neither are being advertised well.

Who in the seven circles of hell expects them to sell well?

The sales are terrible, yes, but without software support people won't buy new systems. Nintendo might have announced some games, but they've given no signal as to when those games will be available. That still leaves Wii U without a major release for the entirety of January and almost all of February, before three or four notable releases (but no major global blockbuster and no major first party title) hit the system.

Nintendo need to hurry up and announce dates for titles like Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, Wonderful 101. It's all well and good saying those titles are coming, but who is going to invest in a system when Nintendo won't even reveal what month those titles are coming out? Things will only get worse before those games are advertised and released.

Look at my sig. Plenty of people did.

Including you.  Vita that is.



I'm not really here!

Link: Shipment History Since 1995


Damn. Can't make a thread. Anyway, I came here to pay my respects to the community.

Mr khan, you are a sad little fanboy. Infinite source of amusement.

Rollstoppable, duh.. of course this is my second account. I thought of hinting you a bit, but you figured my previous account on some thread. Anyway, you are also quite sad. That is if you actually think that you are funny... if just trolling, then good job.

Amp-guy with bond avatar. Seriously, grow up. :D

All those nintendo fans who I have irked.. I'll be back when next gen consoles come up, prepare for more awesomeness!

What else? Nah.. have fun trolling. I'll be away for a while but someone needs to keep up the good work.



These low Wii U numbers make me nervous for the 720 and PS4.

I think it's an indication of things to come; except 720 and PS4 will cost even more than Wii U.

It's a critique on many things: bad economy, investment in current console, waiting on expected price drops/bundles, etc etc.

I could be wrong; we'll see.