Jay520 said:
1.) a- You're right, negligence is a poor word. Perhaps, abandonment is a better word. Okay, how could you admire something as harmful as abandonment, simply because the person thinks it's right? That's your only reasoning - Because he thinks it's right. You are neutral on whether his actions are right or wrong. You just admire his actions because he thinks he's doing the right thing. That does not make sense to me.
b- Would you admire a father for abandoning his son for being a Republican....simply because the father believes republicans are wrong?
2.) a- Those examples don't apply anymore because they were based on the idea that you thought the father's actions were wrong, yet you still admired them. Of course now I know that you don't think the father's actions were wrong.
b- And no, they could not apply to me. I said there is no reason to abandon a son for being gay... because a son's gayness will not harm you. This doesn't apply to rapists, killers, etc because the knowledge that a person rapes and kills can be disturbing to others. This does not apply to a person being gay. There is no reason to be disturbed by homosexuality.
Also, all killers and rapists perform actions that harm people. There is good reason to abandon these people. On the contrary, simply being gay harms no one. Some homosexuals don't even exercise their homosexuality. So abandoning someone for simply being homosexual is wrong.
3.) Do you agree that the father could remain in contact with the son while still disapproving of the son's lifestyle?
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1) Thanks for the negligence part. It helps to know you're actually talking to me and not just arguing.
Jay, I told you I didn't admire the abandonment. I admired him sticking to his convictions (being true to his feelings and convictions), what he did after that (abandonment, living with it outside of denial) is another thing I told you I didn't form an opinion on yet.
As such, what I mean is I wouldn't admire the contrary (that everything is alright, when really it isn't). That's really all I'm trying to say. His actions only prove that he is respecting his feelings and convictions, as for whether it was the right thing to do or not is another story. I know this is subtle but read this again and if you still can't see what I mean ask again, I will clarify. Again, to be precise, I don't admire his actions (italics).
b) I would not, to be completely honest, and probably that proves that my judgement is tainted by my own convictions. Possibly I'm so certain that to judge someone on political division such as Republican or Democrat is a lack of judgement, you must be thinking the same on this issue. But to help contrast a little, what about participating in a Neo Natzist organization? That might make things a little more apples to apples I would think.
2) I neither consider his actions wrong nor right, I have yet to form an opinion, I think you got that part.
b- So first you give the impression that abandonment is wrong no matter what, but now I get the idea that you would in the case of gross crime (bold). Then why make me defend point 1?
3) I think so. It would be quite commendable given this person's feelings on the matter.
@spurge. I second that