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Kasz216 said:

I wouldn't really call that hateful. It seemed really composed, honest, straight forward and with emotion.

If anything, it seemed more like a sad letter then anything.

If anything, it's the responses to it that seem hateful.

It's great to disagree with him... and I do... but really, with responses like most of you have, it might be worth looking into a mirror and wondering who really is hateful.

Such overblown ridiculious anger solves nothing, and only allows such things to continue longer.

i  was going to write something similar. So I awill agree to your comments to save time.



 

 

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Kantor said:

Honestly, I wouldn't wish upon anybody the fate of being a gay child of Frozone.

What I really wish is that Frozone turns out to be gay. Hopefully he won't harm and despise himself.


It could happen...

It seems it's been happening a lot lately, that the most vocal against homosexuality in society end up either coming out of the closet themselves, or getting caught hiring a male escort to take on holiday with them, and perform backrubs on, etc.



Kantor said:

Honestly, I wouldn't wish upon anybody the fate of being a gay child of Frozone.

What I really wish is that Frozone turns out to be gay. Hopefully he won't harm and despise himself.

What's with the hate. He never pushed his opinions on anyone and is just sharing his opinion.

The problem I find in most of these threads is that too many people are incapable of making this debate a non-personal debate, as shocking as a statement may be to you, it is that person's point of view and here to be discussed.

Honestly, is there anything wrong with these words?



hard to believe
how much hate is in some against something



KylieDog said:
I see only disappointment and regret in that letter. He still wishes his son a good birthday and good life, that is not wished upon someone you hate, but the dad feels he must cut ties with him because it is against his religious beliefs.

In my mind, it would have been better if he was angry. If he's calm, or indeed sad, like he *has* to do this, then he has no motivation other than pure bigotry to cut ties with his son. It's not that he hates his son for what he has become, but that he has internalized the notion of homosexuals as untouchable to a degree deeper than emotion. This is internalized, institutionalized bigotry, and what i said before, the kind that needs to be purged more so.



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I wasn't going to post initially but I will put forth a couple of points and observations.

First with the letter it was written in a way that was not derogatory but filled with conviction and a hint of sadness.
If the man felt no love for his son there would be no need for well wishes at the end of that letter.

Looking at many of the responses it seems that there is almost a case of selective memory loss here. People are constantly referring to the son as a "child" when it is very apparent that he is an adult.

While I understand that a lot of people have strong feelings when it comes to issues such as this one I think that it is extremely important to detach our emotions from the discussion if we hope to have a good and open debate. That is the whole point of having forums where people can freely debate without being labelled and attacked for their points.

There have been several instances in this thread where people have gone into personal attacks because they don't like what someone has pointed out and such posts take away from the discussion and prevent more interesting discourse taking place.

Understand that people have different opinions and that if you expect them to respect your opinion you should consider doing the same even if you disagree strongly. By all means point out where you feel they are wrong but do not lower yourself by getting personal.




 

 

Mr Khan said:
KylieDog said:
I see only disappointment and regret in that letter. He still wishes his son a good birthday and good life, that is not wished upon someone you hate, but the dad feels he must cut ties with him because it is against his religious beliefs.

In my mind, it would have been better if he was angry. If he's calm, or indeed sad, like he *has* to do this, then he has no motivation other than pure bigotry to cut ties with his son. It's not that he hates his son for what he has become, but that he has internalized the notion of homosexuals as untouchable to a degree deeper than emotion. This is internalized, institutionalized bigotry, and what i said before, the kind that needs to be purged more so.


I understand that you strongly disagree with the father's actions but you are using very strong words at the end of your post.

Can you clarify what you mean by "purging"??



 

 

Branko2166 said:
Mr Khan said:
KylieDog said:
I see only disappointment and regret in that letter. He still wishes his son a good birthday and good life, that is not wished upon someone you hate, but the dad feels he must cut ties with him because it is against his religious beliefs.

In my mind, it would have been better if he was angry. If he's calm, or indeed sad, like he *has* to do this, then he has no motivation other than pure bigotry to cut ties with his son. It's not that he hates his son for what he has become, but that he has internalized the notion of homosexuals as untouchable to a degree deeper than emotion. This is internalized, institutionalized bigotry, and what i said before, the kind that needs to be purged more so.


I understand that you strongly disagree with the father's actions but you are using very strong words at the end of your post.

Can you clarify what you mean by "purging"??

Peacefully, of course, but firmly. But i do mean purged, as in this mode of thinking needs to be wiped from the world, or at least made as universally despised and marginalized as racism currently is.



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happydolphin said:
Kantor said:

Honestly, I wouldn't wish upon anybody the fate of being a gay child of Frozone.

What I really wish is that Frozone turns out to be gay. Hopefully he won't harm and despise himself.

What's with the hate. He never pushed his opinions on anyone and is just sharing his opinion.

The problem I find in most of these threads is that too many people are incapable of making this debate a non-personal debate, as shocking as a statement may be to you, it is that person's point of view and here to be discussed.

Honestly, is there anything wrong with these words?

Dude, don't enable him.  Ignorance and intolerance is such whether he's looking upon others with righteous condemnation or if he's burning crosses on their yards.  While one is worse, they're still both horrible.  



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@Mr Khan

Thanks for the clarification.
I agree in principle about voicing one's morals and beliefs and promoting them. I however am very strongly against forcing your own convictions onto others. It goes against the very concept of liberty and basic human rights in my opinion.

So while I have no issue with what you are conveying I just disagree on the execution method.