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pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

That largely depends on the type of game we're talking about. Console ports: True. Properly made games with PC in mind: Not true


See why I say we can enjoy the little things? I don't care if a game is technically superior if it doesnt have a great story, characters and gameplay. Consoles have given me this. The PC games worth having are only a handful each year, which is why It isn't going to hurt me to wait. Lets see if their stories are propper.

Last time I checked you weren't even aware of the great PC games that came out in 2011 so your statement doesn't hold much water. You also begin by saying: "We can enjoy the little things" and then you use yourself as an example. Anyway, not going to continue with this discussion since you like to ignore PC games that aren't heavily marketed.


Show me the godly games that I missed bro. Please. :)


I think I already did in another thread. Or was that not you? And I never talked about "godly" games (what the hell is that anyway?), I was talking about PC games "worth having", like you said...

If a game needs to be godly for it to be worth having for you, then you can definitely not say you can "enjoy the little things" and PC gamers can not as a whole.


That was a list of exclusives that were worth talking about. I was referring to these "properly made games" you speak of. I game regardless of PC or console but I want to know what makes PC so superior outside of graphics.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

That largely depends on the type of game we're talking about. Console ports: True. Properly made games with PC in mind: Not true


See why I say we can enjoy the little things? I don't care if a game is technically superior if it doesnt have a great story, characters and gameplay. Consoles have given me this. The PC games worth having are only a handful each year, which is why It isn't going to hurt me to wait. Lets see if their stories are propper.

Last time I checked you weren't even aware of the great PC games that came out in 2011 so your statement doesn't hold much water. You also begin by saying: "We can enjoy the little things" and then you use yourself as an example. Anyway, not going to continue with this discussion since you like to ignore PC games that aren't heavily marketed.


Show me the godly games that I missed bro. Please. :)


I think I already did in another thread. Or was that not you? And I never talked about "godly" games (what the hell is that anyway?), I was talking about PC games "worth having", like you said...

If a game needs to be godly for it to be worth having for you, then you can definitely not say you can "enjoy the little things" and PC gamers can not as a whole.


That was a list of exclusives that were worth talking about. I was referring to these "properly made games" you speak of.

Don't cut out the rest "...with PC in mind". That's what I meant. Trying to cater to the PC audience (BF3, Witcher 2, every Blizzard game since god knows when, Portal 2 etc.), not port a console game with no changes at all (Dead Space, Cod etc.)



pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

That largely depends on the type of game we're talking about. Console ports: True. Properly made games with PC in mind: Not true


See why I say we can enjoy the little things? I don't care if a game is technically superior if it doesnt have a great story, characters and gameplay. Consoles have given me this. The PC games worth having are only a handful each year, which is why It isn't going to hurt me to wait. Lets see if their stories are propper.

Last time I checked you weren't even aware of the great PC games that came out in 2011 so your statement doesn't hold much water. You also begin by saying: "We can enjoy the little things" and then you use yourself as an example. Anyway, not going to continue with this discussion since you like to ignore PC games that aren't heavily marketed.


Show me the godly games that I missed bro. Please. :)


I think I already did in another thread. Or was that not you? And I never talked about "godly" games (what the hell is that anyway?), I was talking about PC games "worth having", like you said...

If a game needs to be godly for it to be worth having for you, then you can definitely not say you can "enjoy the little things" and PC gamers can not as a whole.


That was a list of exclusives that were worth talking about. I was referring to these "properly made games" you speak of.

Don't cut out the rest "...with PC in mind". That's what I meant. Trying to cater to the PC audience (BF3, Witcher 2, every Blizzard game since god knows when, Portal 2 etc.), not port a console game with no changes at all (Dead Space, Cod etc.)


Last I checked Witcher 2, portal 2 and BF3, are all multiplatform now. To tell you the truth I called Witcher 2 being sent to consoles after I saw its very action RPG stylized gameplay which I dont see very much on PC more native to games like Assassins Creed and Demon Souls with a Bioware inspired conversation tree . Blizzard is PC....and if exclusivity is broken with Blizzard theres not much one can say really. Anyway, games should be made for PC first to ensure the highest graphical potential, the place where it will run best, but a proper game has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with how a game ( it's self) is made. I'll take a line from Nvidia......that is how a game is meant to be played.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

Don't cut out the rest "...with PC in mind". That's what I meant. Trying to cater to the PC audience (BF3, Witcher 2, every Blizzard game since god knows when, Portal 2 etc.), not port a console game with no changes at all (Dead Space, Cod etc.)


Last I checked Witcher 2, portal 2 and BF3, are all multiplatform now. To tell you the truth I called Witcher 2 being sent to consoles after I saw its very action RPG stylized gameplay which I dont see very much on PC more native to games like Assassins Creed and Demon Souls with a Bioware inspired conversation tree . Blizzard is PC....and if exclusivity is broken with Blizzard theres not much one can say really. Anyway, games should be made for PC first to ensure the highest graphical potential, the place where it will run best, but a proper game has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with how a game ( it's self) is made. I'll take a line from Nvidia......that is how a game is meant to be played.

Do you even read what I post? I answered everything you just said now in the post you just replied to...*head explodes*



Barozi said:
pezus said:
Barozi said:
Must be an American phenomenon.

In Europe importing games from the UK (PC and consoles) or buying games from the "local" Amazon is far cheaper than anything Steam could offer.
Infact standard prices for Steam games are usually more expensive than retail games.

Skyrim is 50€ (German Steam store)
Amazon.de has it for 41€
TheHut.com has it for 38,64€ (including delivery to EU states)

Modern Warfare 3 is 60€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 33€

Left 4 Dead is 20€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 11,50€

It can even match many of the Steam "deals".

I must be lucky since I pay for everything on Steam in dollars, and therefore usually get the same price as the Americans. It's different with Origin though. There, they region lock it.

Sounds highly illegal if you "cheated" your way to be able to do that.
Otherwise you're just lucky because you live in an incredibly sparsely inhabited country. Usually every bigger country should have its own Steam Store and is thus region locked as well.

When I was in Europe for a long while Steam kept telling me how "The credit card you are buying this with and the country you reside in don't match" and wouldn't let me buy the games I wanted. 3 minutes later I just connected to a proxy in the US and everything was solved. Bought a whole bunch of Steam stuff while over in Europe, apparently for significantly cheaper. I do need to note that you only need to be on the proxy while you buy the games. Downloading them has no problem. I am assuming a VPN would also work.



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pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

Don't cut out the rest "...with PC in mind". That's what I meant. Trying to cater to the PC audience (BF3, Witcher 2, every Blizzard game since god knows when, Portal 2 etc.), not port a console game with no changes at all (Dead Space, Cod etc.)


Last I checked Witcher 2, portal 2 and BF3, are all multiplatform now. To tell you the truth I called Witcher 2 being sent to consoles after I saw its very action RPG stylized gameplay which I dont see very much on PC more native to games like Assassins Creed and Demon Souls with a Bioware inspired conversation tree . Blizzard is PC....and if exclusivity is broken with Blizzard theres not much one can say really. Anyway, games should be made for PC first to ensure the highest graphical potential, the place where it will run best, but a proper game has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with how a game ( it's self) is made. I'll take a line from Nvidia......that is how a game is meant to be played.

Do you even read what I post? I answered everything you just said now in the post you just replied to...*head explodes*


I responded after reading what you wrote. Was what you wrote understandable? Check my response. You were obviously talking about game catering to a PC audience vs the console.



vlad321 said:
Barozi said:
pezus said:
Barozi said:
Must be an American phenomenon.

In Europe importing games from the UK (PC and consoles) or buying games from the "local" Amazon is far cheaper than anything Steam could offer.
Infact standard prices for Steam games are usually more expensive than retail games.

Skyrim is 50€ (German Steam store)
Amazon.de has it for 41€
TheHut.com has it for 38,64€ (including delivery to EU states)

Modern Warfare 3 is 60€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 33€

Left 4 Dead is 20€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 11,50€

It can even match many of the Steam "deals".

I must be lucky since I pay for everything on Steam in dollars, and therefore usually get the same price as the Americans. It's different with Origin though. There, they region lock it.

Sounds highly illegal if you "cheated" your way to be able to do that.
Otherwise you're just lucky because you live in an incredibly sparsely inhabited country. Usually every bigger country should have its own Steam Store and is thus region locked as well.

When I was in Europe for a long while Steam kept telling me how "The credit card you are buying this with and the country you reside in don't match" and wouldn't let me buy the games I wanted. 3 minutes later I just connected to a proxy in the US and everything was solved. Bought a whole bunch of Steam stuff while over in Europe, apparently for significantly cheaper. I do need to note that you only need to be on the proxy while you buy the games. Downloading them has no problem. I am assuming a VPN would also work.

I don't even need that. I'm assuming you were in a Euro country?



S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pezus said:

Don't cut out the rest "...with PC in mind". That's what I meant. Trying to cater to the PC audience (BF3, Witcher 2, every Blizzard game since god knows when, Portal 2 etc.), not port a console game with no changes at all (Dead Space, Cod etc.)


Last I checked Witcher 2, portal 2 and BF3, are all multiplatform now. To tell you the truth I called Witcher 2 being sent to consoles after I saw its very action RPG stylized gameplay which I dont see very much on PC more native to games like Assassins Creed and Demon Souls with a Bioware inspired conversation tree . Blizzard is PC....and if exclusivity is broken with Blizzard theres not much one can say really. Anyway, games should be made for PC first to ensure the highest graphical potential, the place where it will run best, but a proper game has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with how a game ( it's self) is made. I'll take a line from Nvidia......that is how a game is meant to be played.

Do you even read what I post? I answered everything you just said now in the post you just replied to...*head explodes*


I responded after reading what you wrote. Was what you wrote understandable? Check my response. You were obviously talking about game catering to a PC audience vs the console.

And how does that relate to your answer? I never said PC exclusives, I never said graphics only.



vlad321 said:
Barozi said:
pezus said:
Barozi said:
Must be an American phenomenon.

In Europe importing games from the UK (PC and consoles) or buying games from the "local" Amazon is far cheaper than anything Steam could offer.
Infact standard prices for Steam games are usually more expensive than retail games.

Skyrim is 50€ (German Steam store)
Amazon.de has it for 41€
TheHut.com has it for 38,64€ (including delivery to EU states)

Modern Warfare 3 is 60€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 33€

Left 4 Dead is 20€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 11,50€

It can even match many of the Steam "deals".

I must be lucky since I pay for everything on Steam in dollars, and therefore usually get the same price as the Americans. It's different with Origin though. There, they region lock it.

Sounds highly illegal if you "cheated" your way to be able to do that.
Otherwise you're just lucky because you live in an incredibly sparsely inhabited country. Usually every bigger country should have its own Steam Store and is thus region locked as well.

When I was in Europe for a long while Steam kept telling me how "The credit card you are buying this with and the country you reside in don't match" and wouldn't let me buy the games I wanted. 3 minutes later I just connected to a proxy in the US and everything was solved. Bought a whole bunch of Steam stuff while over in Europe, apparently for significantly cheaper. I do need to note that you only need to be on the proxy while you buy the games. Downloading them has no problem. I am assuming a VPN would also work.

As long as your credit card details include an American address you shouldn't have any problems.
But when your primary residence is in Europe and you enter an invalid, imaginary American billing address and buy the games from the US store, you're probably commit tax fraud (at the very least).



Barozi said:
vlad321 said:
Barozi said:
pezus said:
Barozi said:
Must be an American phenomenon.

In Europe importing games from the UK (PC and consoles) or buying games from the "local" Amazon is far cheaper than anything Steam could offer.
Infact standard prices for Steam games are usually more expensive than retail games.

Skyrim is 50€ (German Steam store)
Amazon.de has it for 41€
TheHut.com has it for 38,64€ (including delivery to EU states)

Modern Warfare 3 is 60€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 33€

Left 4 Dead is 20€ (Steam)
Amazon.de has it for 11,50€

It can even match many of the Steam "deals".

I must be lucky since I pay for everything on Steam in dollars, and therefore usually get the same price as the Americans. It's different with Origin though. There, they region lock it.

Sounds highly illegal if you "cheated" your way to be able to do that.
Otherwise you're just lucky because you live in an incredibly sparsely inhabited country. Usually every bigger country should have its own Steam Store and is thus region locked as well.

When I was in Europe for a long while Steam kept telling me how "The credit card you are buying this with and the country you reside in don't match" and wouldn't let me buy the games I wanted. 3 minutes later I just connected to a proxy in the US and everything was solved. Bought a whole bunch of Steam stuff while over in Europe, apparently for significantly cheaper. I do need to note that you only need to be on the proxy while you buy the games. Downloading them has no problem. I am assuming a VPN would also work.

As long as your credit card details include an American address you shouldn't have any problems.
But when your primary residence is in Europe and you enter an invalid, imaginary American billing address and buy the games from the US store, you're probably commit tax fraud (at the very least).

That is an interesting point, but I don't think Steam decides prices by the person's billing address though. Considering that you aren't even required, in the slightest, to store your billign address, I think there's some other system in play. One that can probably easily be fooled (I bought my games from the web interface, not the steam client).



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835