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steverhcp02 on 23 November 2009
nightsurge said:
steverhcp02 said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary? Even all the threads about this quite plainly and obviously stated that while the Cell BE successor was officially stopped production, that did not mean the PS3 or other devices could not use a revised Cell. All they have to do is commission IBM to design it. The Cell architecture and aspects of the Cell will be used in future IBM products, but IBM will not be creating new "Cells". And since MikeB as well as his friends need some reassurance for their misunderstandings I'll clarify once more: This means they won't be making a DIRECT Cell successor with DIRECT Nomenclature (ie PoweXCell32) by themselves. Others can still have them design one for use. IBM will also be making new products using the ideas and architecture and elements of the Cell but they will not be Cell clones or successors. That's why it fits into the "Cell family" since they will share basic similarities but still be very different.

What a waste of time and a non-news story, MikeB.

You strike me as a very condescending angry person over a simple informational thread simply meant to clear up confusion to those who are interested.

 

I guess you just have to know and understand, MikeB.  Unfortunately, I do.

I dont need to know anybody. I respond to the posters post. Not my idea of who or what they are in my head.




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nightsurge on 23 November 2009
steverhcp02 said:
nightsurge said:
steverhcp02 said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary? Even all the threads about this quite plainly and obviously stated that while the Cell BE successor was officially stopped production, that did not mean the PS3 or other devices could not use a revised Cell. All they have to do is commission IBM to design it. The Cell architecture and aspects of the Cell will be used in future IBM products, but IBM will not be creating new "Cells". And since MikeB as well as his friends need some reassurance for their misunderstandings I'll clarify once more: This means they won't be making a DIRECT Cell successor with DIRECT Nomenclature (ie PoweXCell32) by themselves. Others can still have them design one for use. IBM will also be making new products using the ideas and architecture and elements of the Cell but they will not be Cell clones or successors. That's why it fits into the "Cell family" since they will share basic similarities but still be very different.

What a waste of time and a non-news story, MikeB.

You strike me as a very condescending angry person over a simple informational thread simply meant to clear up confusion to those who are interested.

 

I guess you just have to know and understand, MikeB.  Unfortunately, I do.

I dont need to know anybody. I respond to the posters post. Not my idea of who or what they are in my head.

Then if you don't need to know anybody, why are you trying to analyze and label me?  Is not what you put some idea of who or what I am that you formed in your head?  Perhaps next time reply to the thread topic rather than to my post which was clearly not directed towards you.



joeorc on 23 November 2009
kowenicki said:
nobody but nobody said the cell is doomed therefore the ps3/ps4 is doomed... and if they did they are being melodramatic.

Either way it appears that the cell development is changing.... but then its just another chip anyway.,... there are many ways to skin a cat. It isnt some mystical beast that can change the world. Sony has little involvement now I believe, isnt it mainly Toshiba and IBM that are driving this.

no. Sony is still very much involved they have an alliance for the Cell product line:

STI

 

http://www.igeek.com/CellProcessor.pdf

 



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steverhcp02 on 23 November 2009
nightsurge said:
steverhcp02 said:
nightsurge said:
steverhcp02 said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary? Even all the threads about this quite plainly and obviously stated that while the Cell BE successor was officially stopped production, that did not mean the PS3 or other devices could not use a revised Cell. All they have to do is commission IBM to design it. The Cell architecture and aspects of the Cell will be used in future IBM products, but IBM will not be creating new "Cells". And since MikeB as well as his friends need some reassurance for their misunderstandings I'll clarify once more: This means they won't be making a DIRECT Cell successor with DIRECT Nomenclature (ie PoweXCell32) by themselves. Others can still have them design one for use. IBM will also be making new products using the ideas and architecture and elements of the Cell but they will not be Cell clones or successors. That's why it fits into the "Cell family" since they will share basic similarities but still be very different.

What a waste of time and a non-news story, MikeB.

You strike me as a very condescending angry person over a simple informational thread simply meant to clear up confusion to those who are interested.

 

I guess you just have to know and understand, MikeB.  Unfortunately, I do.

I dont need to know anybody. I respond to the posters post. Not my idea of who or what they are in my head.

Then if you don't need to know anybody, why are you trying to analyze and label me?  Is not what you put some idea of who or what I am that you formed in your head?  Perhaps next time reply to the thread topic rather than to my post which was clearly not directed towards you.

Im not, i bolded what you said in your post that leads me to believe that. I responded to this post right here and not your posting history.

The first bolded is a condescending statement of superiority. "ill explain this to you simpletons". The second bolded is sort of a mean angry statement by calling something that many people have found beneficial a "waste of time"

 




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joeorc on 23 November 2009
nightsurge said:
theprof00 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary?

Sadly, I guess so.

Actually, no, it wasn't.  Every single thread that was posted previously people already explained what this article did.  You just can't stand the thought of anything attacking your precious PS3.

sorry surge, but this is a quote from the "dead in the water" thread

"Extrapolated, then, you can summise that the Cell processor line is terminated, with the current PoweXCell 8i the last one off the production line."

But that quote is basically true.  There will be no "PowerXCell ..." or "Cell ..." named products anymore.  IBM is moving on to a new CPU using parts of the Cell in it.  The only way there will be another Cell boasting the Cell nomenclature is if someone commissions IBM to design it (Sony for PS4).

Nope. IBM Toshiba and Sony all have a direct stake into the Cell Processor Design.

Notice DESIGN

THERE CAN BE MANY Design's of a said product. 

Its still the Same core product. what MikeB posted is valid, because what it stated was only one part of the Cell Processor product development is being haulted, not all the Cell product's. 



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nightsurge on 23 November 2009
joeorc said:
nightsurge said:
theprof00 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary?

Sadly, I guess so.

Actually, no, it wasn't.  Every single thread that was posted previously people already explained what this article did.  You just can't stand the thought of anything attacking your precious PS3.

sorry surge, but this is a quote from the "dead in the water" thread

"Extrapolated, then, you can summise that the Cell processor line is terminated, with the current PoweXCell 8i the last one off the production line."

But that quote is basically true.  There will be no "PowerXCell ..." or "Cell ..." named products anymore.  IBM is moving on to a new CPU using parts of the Cell in it.  The only way there will be another Cell boasting the Cell nomenclature is if someone commissions IBM to design it (Sony for PS4).

Nope. IBM Toshiba and Sony all have a direct stake into the Cell Processor Design.

Notice DESIGN

THERE CAN BE MANY Design's of a said product. 

Its still the Same core product. what MikeB posted is valid, because what it stated was only one part of the Cell Processor product development is being haulted, not all the Cell product's. 

I am not saying what Mike posted is invalid.  I'm saying it's already understood and not needed.  Also, note this is about IBM, not IBM, Sony, and Toshiba.  I only commented on IBM.  What this article states is that IBM (not Sony or Toshiba) is haulting production of the successor to the Cell BE in the PS3 and moving to new things that will use aspects (such as architecture, or design, or many other possible things like ALUs, SPUs, IFUs, etc) of the Cell in them but will not any longer be a "Cell" product.  Note that I also said that at any point anyone can commission them to produce another Cell CPU, such as Sony for the PS4.



Xoj on 23 November 2009
kowenicki said:
nobody but nobody said the cell is doomed therefore the ps3/ps4 is doomed... and if they did they are being melodramatic.

Either way it appears that the cell development is changing.... but then its just another chip anyway.,... there are many ways to skin a cat. It isnt some mystical beast that can change the world. Sony has little involvement now I believe, isnt it mainly Toshiba and IBM that are driving this.

squilliam is melodramatic ? =(



silicon on 23 November 2009
nightsurge said:
joeorc said:
nightsurge said:
theprof00 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary?

Sadly, I guess so.

Actually, no, it wasn't.  Every single thread that was posted previously people already explained what this article did.  You just can't stand the thought of anything attacking your precious PS3.

sorry surge, but this is a quote from the "dead in the water" thread

"Extrapolated, then, you can summise that the Cell processor line is terminated, with the current PoweXCell 8i the last one off the production line."

But that quote is basically true.  There will be no "PowerXCell ..." or "Cell ..." named products anymore.  IBM is moving on to a new CPU using parts of the Cell in it.  The only way there will be another Cell boasting the Cell nomenclature is if someone commissions IBM to design it (Sony for PS4).

Nope. IBM Toshiba and Sony all have a direct stake into the Cell Processor Design.

Notice DESIGN

THERE CAN BE MANY Design's of a said product. 

Its still the Same core product. what MikeB posted is valid, because what it stated was only one part of the Cell Processor product development is being haulted, not all the Cell product's. 

I am not saying what Mike posted is invalid.  I'm saying it's already understood and not needed.  Also, note this is about IBM, not IBM, Sony, and Toshiba.  I only commented on IBM.  What this article states is that IBM (not Sony or Toshiba) is haulting production of the successor to the Cell BE in the PS3 and moving to new things that will use aspects (such as architecture, or design, or many other possible things like ALUs, SPUs, IFUs, etc) of the Cell in them but will not any longer be a "Cell" product.  Note that I also said that at any point anyone can commission them to produce another Cell CPU, such as Sony for the PS4.

I don't know much. The post was helpful for me because it cleared something up. We can't all be experts.



joeorc on 23 November 2009
nightsurge said:
joeorc said:
nightsurge said:
theprof00 said:
nightsurge said:
MikeB said:
nightsurge said:

Was this really necessary?

Sadly, I guess so.

Actually, no, it wasn't.  Every single thread that was posted previously people already explained what this article did.  You just can't stand the thought of anything attacking your precious PS3.

sorry surge, but this is a quote from the "dead in the water" thread

"Extrapolated, then, you can summise that the Cell processor line is terminated, with the current PoweXCell 8i the last one off the production line."

But that quote is basically true.  There will be no "PowerXCell ..." or "Cell ..." named products anymore.  IBM is moving on to a new CPU using parts of the Cell in it.  The only way there will be another Cell boasting the Cell nomenclature is if someone commissions IBM to design it (Sony for PS4).

Nope. IBM Toshiba and Sony all have a direct stake into the Cell Processor Design.

Notice DESIGN

THERE CAN BE MANY Design's of a said product. 

Its still the Same core product. what MikeB posted is valid, because what it stated was only one part of the Cell Processor product development is being haulted, not all the Cell product's. 

I am not saying what Mike posted is invalid.  I'm saying it's already understood and not needed.  Also, note this is about IBM, not IBM, Sony, and Toshiba.  I only commented on IBM.  What this article states is that IBM (not Sony or Toshiba) is haulting production of the successor to the Cell BE in the PS3 and moving to new things that will use aspects (such as architecture, or design, or many other possible things like ALUs, SPUs, IFUs, etc) of the Cell in them but will not any longer be a "Cell" product.  Note that I also said that at any point anyone can commission them to produce another Cell CPU, such as Sony for the PS4.

id did not say "IN THE PS3" that i think is the problem with seeing what is open ended OPINION instead of Fact.

just because the PowerXCell is not being used does not mean there will not be some other Cell being used instead.

what you have is two story's on the Internet right now going on and both are told from someone getting the scoop, but IBM did not go into detail on what they are doing, and prob. never will for some time.

saying just because IBM haulted one "projected"  or prototype design does not mean they are not going to have another Cell named processor.

 



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joeorc on 23 November 2009
jetrii said:
The current Cell processor design is pretty much dead. SPEs do not make sense anymore and IBM knows this. The new generation of Cell processors will be a few Power7 cores that manage a few thousand stream processors. Even if they call it "Cell", it is a completely different architecture. Granted, it will definitely borrow a few technologies from the current cell, but it will simply be a different processor with the same name.

This those effect the PS4, as it means that backwards compatibility is pretty much dead. If developers thought that porting games to the cell processor was bad, they are going to struggle even more with stream processors. Emulating a Cell with stream processors + a few cores is not hard, but it requires more power than will be available in the next generation of consoles.

lol..

no its not! dead, god!

you are making my head hurt..you do know that the Cell Processor 

"is a streaming processor"

as a matter of fact "the cell is a stream processor with embedded ram on the die"

talk about taking a new's scoop and blowing it way out of proportion.

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.