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OT: I'm all for abortion at all times but after the 20th week or so is when you shouldn't unless there is somthing that could be life threatening to the mother...

Yes. Abortion is jusr running away from responsibility you full power over, dont kill a Innocent life because you cant own up to ur actions and responsibility

What you don't seem to understand is that we live in a society where the number of people who are ready, willing and able to adopt young children is an order of magnitude greater than the number of young children available; and there is such a crisis of a lack of children to adopt that people are doing what was once thought to be unthinkable and going to third world countries to adopt children which will bear no resemblance to them (and everyone will know they’re adopted).

Now I don't want to imply that there aren't children who are difficult to find adoptive parents for, because there are quite a few of them out their; but these tend to be older children (primarily teenagers) or children with serious physical, emotional or mental problems.

I'm (personally) not saying that abortions should be banned, but the argument that not having abortion available would have an impact on orphans in western countries is simply false.

Abortion is a very good thing and should be encouraged. Especially in third world countries where food is short and the major problem is overpopulation. Life begins at birth.. A cluster of cells is not a human being.

im pro-choice, I think that abortion should allways be legal

Abortion should be legal to all who want it, as the world is too over populated with kids that people didn't want in the first place, who grow up and have kids they don't want.

A forum with a majority of young male virgins whose parents tell them that jesus hates abortion is not the best place to ask the question.

The problem is one of enforceability though. There is no way to shut down all shady back alley doctors who would be willing to do an abortion. Supposing you magically shut them down, then there is nothing to stop a home attempt. The only problem with the at home solutions is that they risk the life of the mother as well as the child. So the choice is endager one life, or two? Doesn't seem a hard choice to me, but people consistently fall on the other side. I am genuinely interested in a response to this.

Huh. I would have had you down as pro-choice to be honest.

About your destruction of a human being point, I would state that the definition would be hazy at best on that. Many people believe that it is a human life from conception, but other believe that it is only classed as a human life at some point down the development of the fetus.

Personally I believe that abortion is acceptable only for different circumstances for each trimester...

1. The first trimester or so is nothing more than belated contraceptive (although I would prefer it if contraceptive was used in the first place).
2. In the second trimester it should be held for changes in decision (based on sound reasoning, perhaps with a psychological profile).
3. In the third it should only really be accepted if the fetus poses some kind of serious threat to the mother or itself.

Why do I think this? Because I think that no clear definition can be determined for when it is human. In the beginning of the pregnancy I would consider it as just a bundle of cells. As it develops further, it become more human and the situation becomes more tricky. But in the third trimester it is essentially a mini baby, and the likelihood is that it can survive premature berth anyway, so only extreme situations are acceptable.

Would you still feel that way even if abortions start getting used at high levels for eugenic purposes? How would you feel if they discover a 'Gay Gene' that can be detected in early pregnancy and, while hetero-sexual couples think there is "nothing wrong with being gay", couples decide they just don’t want to raise gay children?

Beyond the classical pro-life arguments against abortion, there is a lot of morally reprehensible acts occurring around the world because of wide-spread abuse of abortion. While I think it is fair to say that abortions should be legal for people who have good reason to have an abortion, I think saying that they should always be legal is questionable.

An interesting element of this argument has always been how paradoxical the demographic breakdown has been compared to how it is argued. Typically men are far more pro-choice then women, the young are far more pro-choice than older-people, and gay people are far more pro-choice than straight people and it is always argued as a “Women’s Rights” issue. I don’t know if it is still the case, but a handful of years ago polling indicated that if women of voting age were in charge of regulating abortion there would be significant restrictions placed on them.