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stof said:
mrstickball said:
To be fair, most Christians cite the laws of Leviticus as being for that time period, and reflect on the argument that Jesus fulfilled the law (of Leviticus), so the most important teachings are from him, as well as examples in the NT (which say that various foods are clean, as per Acts).

Oh certainly. I don't think I've ever even heard of anyone who follows Leveticus (all the animal sacrifices would get messy). But it is often cited by those opposed to homosexuality. Actually, did Jesus ever say anything specific about the topic of homosexuality? I'm not sure.

 

@ Strategyking - of course they have every right to decide what to do with their charitable donations. We just think it's pretty shitty that this arch diocese considers helping people to be slightly less important than discriminating against homosexuals.

I'm not super knowledgeable of the Bible, but from what I do know Jesus never mentioned shunning/outcasting gays the way the church currently does. I'm sure they could edit and pencil hate speak in fairly easily if they absolutely had to...



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stof said:
mrstickball said:
To be fair, most Christians cite the laws of Leviticus as being for that time period, and reflect on the argument that Jesus fulfilled the law (of Leviticus), so the most important teachings are from him, as well as examples in the NT (which say that various foods are clean, as per Acts).

@ Strategyking - of course they have every right to decide what to do with their charitable donations. We just think it's pretty shitty that this arch diocese considers helping people to be slightly less important than discriminating against homosexuals.

I read it more as the provision of social services by their particular institution to a small minority in one city is slightly less important to them than maintaining accordance with the beliefs of a one billion strong following.



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stof said:

@ Strategyking - of course they have every right to decide what to do with their charitable donations. We just think it's pretty shitty that this arch diocese considers helping people to be slightly less important than discriminating against homosexuals.

I read it more as the provision of social services by 1. their particular institution 2. to a small minority in one city is slightly less important to them than maintaining 3. accordance with the beliefs of a one billion strong following.

1. That particular institution is the Washington DC arch diocese. That's what I said.

2. I'm not sure what you mean by this part. According to the article: Catholic Charities, the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers.

I don't see anything there about a small minority. If you mean gays, that's not what the story is about. They're not complaining that they might have to provide services for gays (I imagine they already do, as I'm unaware of any sexual orientation questionares at homeless shelters. They seem more concerned about the notion of hiring or giving same sex family benefits.

3. That's what I said: discriminating against homosexuals. Although, if we look at it as Mr.Stickball does about the laws of leveticus referring more to their own time period, then the notion that christians need to be opposed to homosexuality might be an altogether false one. Really, did Jesus ever bring that up?



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stof said:
starcraft said:
stof said:

@ Strategyking - of course they have every right to decide what to do with their charitable donations. We just think it's pretty shitty that this arch diocese considers helping people to be slightly less important than discriminating against homosexuals.

I read it more as the provision of social services by 1. their particular institution 2. to a small minority in one city is slightly less important to them than maintaining 3. accordance with the beliefs of a one billion strong following.

1. That particular institution is the Washington DC arch diocese. That's what I said.

2. I'm not sure what you mean by this part. According to the article: Catholic Charities, the church's social services arm, is one of dozens of nonprofit organizations that partner with the District. It serves 68,000 people in the city, including the one-third of Washington's homeless people who go to city-owned shelters managed by the church. City leaders said the church is not the dominant provider of any particular social service, but the church pointed out that it supplements funding for city programs with $10 million from its own coffers.

I don't see anything there about a small minority. If you mean gays, that's not what the story is about. They're not complaining that they might have to provide services for gays (I imagine they already do, as I'm unaware of any sexual orientation questionares at homeless shelters. They seem more concerned about the notion of hiring or giving same sex family benefits.

3. That's what I said: discriminating against homosexuals. Although, if we look at it as Mr.Stickball does about the laws of leveticus referring more to their own time period, then the notion that christians need to be opposed to homosexuality might be an altogether false one. Really, did Jesus ever bring that up?

No, Jesus never did explicity condemn homosexuality (then again, He never condemned paedophilia, either), but several other passages in the New Testament make it clear that homosexuality is a sin, and those are viewed as applicable to today.

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The only shunning most church denominations should do or actually do is when they kick out fellow members for rejecting fundamental Christian teachings.  Even then, it's hardly out of hatred, " And the rest of you - don't get tired of honest work! If anyone refuses to obey the command given above, mark that man, do not associate with him until he is ashamed of himself. I don't mean, of course, treat him as an enemy, but reprimand him as a brother". For example.



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