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RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:
Financial statement coming out soon? sweet. I expect them to be in the green

You are clueless. Black, not green. I expect red though.

I meant in the green, as in, bathing in it :P



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So the only reason the PS3 hasn't gone through the roof and sold more than the PS2 and Wii combined is that it's expensive? That's the only reason you can come up with?

I was really hoping for an insightful analysis. Instead I got a complete rehash of the price argument with an invented reason to ignore the fact that the Xbox 360's arcade model has the lowest pricepoint. Couldn't it possibly be considered that what the Playstation 3 offers isn't actually what people want? And that that is part of the reason it's not selling well?

I feel that excusing Sony for their appalling sales this generation simply because of the price is a stupid rationalization. Their machine is not only the most expensive on the market, it's also the most expensive to manufacture. That's a choice Sony made. It turned out to be a really bad one. It should be 'They made bad choices' instead of 'They are doing well considering how bad choices they made'.

Consider this: All three companies made different choices. Nintendo's choice earned them good sales and high profits. Microsoft's choices earned them mediocre sales and no profits/big losses(?). Sony's choices earned them mediocre/bad sales and huge losses.

And what do you mean that Wii owners 'wouldn't buy an HD console because of their inept casuality'? Is it "Wii doesn't count because I don't want it" or "Wii owners are too stupid for their own good"? Both reasons are bad, though the latter is downright loathsome.

By the way, your Bluray vs. DVD argument makes no sense whatsoever. When the PS3 released it was also relatively cheap compared to other blu-ray players. It was only recently that the Blu-ray price sunk beneath the PS3 price.



So apart from the opening post being a complete disaster, I believe the PS3 is doing ok, but Sony isn't. They're actually doing pretty bad right now, last I heard.



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Lmao@ "inept casuality"! That description of Wii owners is awesome. I lost interest shortly after that.

As for your question: terrible. They've lost billions and probably will continue to lose money. The empire that they built with PS1/2 has been collapsed by the PS3. From a gamer's perspective they're doing fine if you like the games coming out for the PS3. However, this is a sales discussion.



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BoleroOfFire said:
Lmao@ "inept casuality"! That description of Wii owners is awesome. I lost interest shortly after that.

As for your question: terrible. They've lost billions and probably will continue to lose money. The empire that they built with PS1/2 has been collapsed by the PS3. From a gamer's perspective they're doing fine if you like the games coming out for the PS3. However, this is a sales discussion.

Couldn't agree more. It's quite sad to see, but we need to face the truth.



I haven't really played the Playstation systems as much as the competition. I do prefer the other systems. However, I hope they get back to profitability, as I always go for their electronics for the most part based on their quality.



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Sony is not doing bad till 299$ PS3 price.)

Of`course they lost some big chunk of money, BUT
1) they WON Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war with PS3
2) they still HAVE 3rd party developers support(and i dare to say, PS3 gets more quality 3rd party titles than even Wii(well , this works same for x360, but still))
3) they are ABLE to sell PS3 for SAME 400$ price during almost 2 years

So, unless Sony won`t be able to cut PS3 price to 299$ THIS year, they are doing ok.



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

CrazzyMan said:
Sony is not doing bad till 299$ PS3 price.)

Of`course they lost some big chunk of money, BUT
1) they WON Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war with PS3
2) they still HAVE 3rd party developers support(and i dare to say, PS3 gets more quality 3rd party titles than even Wii(well , this works same for x360, but still))
3) they are ABLE to sell PS3 for SAME 400$ price during almost 2 years

So, unless Sony won`t be able to cut PS3 price to 299$ THIS year, they are doing ok.

Which they won't, because they're Sony.



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CrazzyMan said:
Sony is not doing bad till 299$ PS3 price.)

Of`course they lost some big chunk of money, BUT
1) they WON Blu-ray vs HD-DVD war with PS3
2) they still HAVE 3rd party developers support(and i dare to say, PS3 gets more quality 3rd party titles than even Wii(well , this works same for x360, but still))
3) they are ABLE to sell PS3 for SAME 400$ price during almost 2 years

So, unless Sony won`t be able to cut PS3 price to 299$ THIS year, they are doing ok.

CrazzyMan...you're back!!!



Killergran said:
So the only reason the PS3 hasn't gone through the roof and sold more than the PS2 and Wii combined is that it's expensive? That's the only reason you can come up with?

I was really hoping for an insightful analysis. Instead I got a complete rehash of the price argument with an invented reason to ignore the fact that the Xbox 360's arcade model has the lowest pricepoint. Couldn't it possibly be considered that what the Playstation 3 offers isn't actually what people want? And that that is part of the reason it's not selling well?

Consider this: All three companies made different choices. Nintendo's choice earned them good sales and high profits. Microsoft's choices earned them mediocre sales and no profits/big losses(?). Sony's choices earned them mediocre/bad sales and huge losses.

And what do you mean that Wii owners 'wouldn't buy an HD console because of their inept casuality'? Is it "Wii doesn't count because I don't want it" or "Wii owners are too stupid for their own good"? Both reasons are bad, though the latter is downright loathsome.

By the way, your Bluray vs. DVD argument makes no sense whatsoever. When the PS3 released it was also relatively cheap compared to other blu-ray players. It was only recently that the Blu-ray price sunk beneath the PS3 price.



So apart from the opening post being a complete disaster, I believe the PS3 is doing ok, but Sony isn't. They're actually doing pretty bad right now, last I heard.

Taking just the U.S. price into consideration you could say the Wii is actually cheaper or the same price as the Xbox 360 Arcade because the Wii comes one with highly desirable game which displaces the need to purchase additional software at the point of sale. We've seen Wii Sports sell at an attach rate of 50% in Japan where there is a large and well developed used game/console market. The important cost is not the naked entry console price but the price at the counter with software/accessories etc.

As for Microsofts profits well we know that the Zune is losing them money, Windows for mobile is losing money most likely, as it was breaking even before the mad scramble to compete with the iPhone and Zune HD/Surface/Natal development has been money draining in one direction along with who knows what other mad projects they have running there. The only profit driver I can see in the division is the Xbox 360 which offsets these liabilities. Reading into their occasional statements about how the Xbox 360 is doing with regards to cost, revenue etc and its pretty likely that the Xbox 360 is far more profitable than the overall division results would indicate and I would suggest they are keeping these numbers close to their chest as to not tip off Sony about their options available to their pricing strategy.

 



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