Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Capcom: Making hardcore games for Wii is an obvious risk. M games dont sell

Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

 

"Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with."

You already saw RE4? Monster Hunter 3? Ok, let's talk about a FPS, you already saw The conduit? 

it is not only on the wii, a lot of developers did a lot of crap games for the Wii and the DS, even the EA did a crap games with their Need for speed on the DS. When you see the differences between the PSX hardware and DS hardware (that is not so big), you will ask: "Hisiru, why the hell EA don't did a better job or a simple NFS high stakes?" And the answer is: they want to make money in the easy way :). They think that with the great install base, they can make a crap game with low costs, and make a profit. You need to speak with a programmer and also need to understand about the Wii hardware.



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Soriku said:
In that case, I guess Wii Sports is a better game than everything other game ever made. If that's what you're getting at...

It passed it in terms of features. Us people on these sites are potential customers and we've already agreed on that.

 

Did I miss something or your whole argument was around mature games selling on the Wii?

Yeah Selling...

 

If Conduit doesn't outsell CoD:Waw it will just demonstrate that Activision did indeed deliver better value for Wii customers...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Hisiru said:
Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

 

"Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with."

You already saw RE4? Monster Hunter 3? Ok, let's talk about a FPS, you already saw The conduit? 

it is not only on the wii, a lot of developers did a lot of crap games for the Wii and the DS, even the EA did a crap games with their Need for speed on the DS. When you see the differences between the PSX hardware and DS hardware (that is not so big), you will ask: "Hisiru, why the hell EA don't did a better job or a simple NFS high stakes?" And the answer is: they want to make money in the easy way :). They think that with the great install base, they can make a crap game with low costs, and make a profit. You need to speak with a programmer and also need to understand about the Wii hardware.

 

We're talking about the Guitar Hero makers here. I think they have a fairly good understanding of what sells on the Wii and a fairly good Wii track record...

I've been writing software for a living for the last 12 years, I think I have a pretty good understanding of what it involves, most likely more than the majority of people actually posting on this site.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
Soriku said:
In that case, I guess Wii Sports is a better game than everything other game ever made. If that's what you're getting at...

It passed it in terms of features. Us people on these sites are potential customers and we've already agreed on that.

 

Did I miss something or your whole argument was around mature games selling on the Wii?

Yeah Selling...

 

If Conduit doesn't outsell CoD:Waw it will just demonstrate that Activision did indeed deliver better value for Wii customers...

 

Fair enough. CoD: WaW Wii is still gimped in comparison to the HD versions though.

Conduit is bound to outsell CoD: WaW regardless...




Soriku said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
In that case, I guess Wii Sports is a better game than everything other game ever made. If that's what you're getting at...

It passed it in terms of features. Us people on these sites are potential customers and we've already agreed on that.

 

Did I miss something or your whole argument was around mature games selling on the Wii?

Yeah Selling...

 

If Conduit doesn't outsell CoD:Waw it will just demonstrate that Activision did indeed deliver better value for Wii customers...

 

Fair enough. CoD: WaW Wii is still gimped in comparison to the HD versions though.

Conduit is bound to outsell CoD: WaW regardless...

 

I think that's still up in the air.

KZ2 was far superior and didn't on the PS3.

No FPS on the 360 has been able to outsell the last two CoD aside from Halo 3...

It seems Activision has actually been doing a real good job with the franchise and beating it is no easy feast at all...( no matter the features of your game, CoD is perceived as a very strong and good game).



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Ali, you know Soriku is right.

If Treyarch did the best they could with Wii hardware, then why does The Conduit look a lot better, has more modes and features, and seems a hell of a lot more polished?



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Ail said:
Soriku said:
In that case, I guess Wii Sports is a better game than everything other game ever made. If that's what you're getting at...

It passed it in terms of features. Us people on these sites are potential customers and we've already agreed on that.

 

Did I miss something or your whole argument was around mature games selling on the Wii?

Yeah Selling...

 

If Conduit doesn't outsell CoD:Waw it will just demonstrate that Activision did indeed deliver better value for Wii customers...

 

New ip vs famous brand

It would prove nothing.



Ail said:
Hisiru said:
Ail said:
wfz said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
BMaker11 said:
Soriku said:
RPG said:
Why are people (fanboys) bad mouthing Capcom, what have they said wrong? If a game like Madwords struggles to 0.20 million and Fitness Coach 1 million I see nothing wrong with what Capcom said. Nothing is wrong with the userbase but most will not purchase M rated games.

So far in this thread a couple people have got really touchy about what a PR said and that too a correct statement, how very sad. Anyway Capcom is giving Wii MH3 so people should be happy.

 

Cherry picking...what about the REs that sold over a million?

I think someone in the thread said it already but, RE sells regardless of platform

 

 

So would MGS. So would DMC. So would Gears. Pretty much all the big series the HD consoles have would sell elsewhere as well.

 

Lo lo LOL

Seriously you need to tell us what kind of crack you are smoking Soriaku.

Sure they would sell elsewhere, question is how many units....

Aside from the fact that games like MGS4 on the Wii would look like MGS2...

 

The Wii got CoD:WaW a big M rated games with a big ad budget. It sold nowhere as well as on HD console so stop trying to convince us that mature games with similar add budget would sell as well on the Wii....

 

The majority of the fans of those big games you mentionned knew they would come on HD consoles and have purchased one...

 

The biggest pile of sh*t that was Haze outsold Madworld by a 3 ratio....

Now now, no need to be an asshole to Soriku. All he said was that those well established franchises would sell on other platforms as well. You gave nothing to rebute his claim, great job.

 

All you managed to do with this post is show your bias and/or ignorance against the Wii and needlessly make fun of Soriku.

Comparing a completely gimped version of CoD (which still has sold over a -million- copies on the Wii!) To it's superior form on the HD consoles where there is a much higher ratio of FPS fans?

Comparing an extremely hyped FPS game to a hyped up extremely gory niche game?

 

Let me turn your Haze vs Madworld argument around: Twilight Princess sold way more copies on the GC than Okami did on the PS2. Oh my god! The PS2 can't sell adventure games!

 

And whose fault is it that CoD:WaW is gimped ???

Activision or Nintendo ????

Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with.

Stop trying to say that publishers have hidden motives and that they on purpose develop inferior versions of games...

 

 

"Activision does the best it can with the hardware it has to work with."

You already saw RE4? Monster Hunter 3? Ok, let's talk about a FPS, you already saw The conduit? 

it is not only on the wii, a lot of developers did a lot of crap games for the Wii and the DS, even the EA did a crap games with their Need for speed on the DS. When you see the differences between the PSX hardware and DS hardware (that is not so big), you will ask: "Hisiru, why the hell EA don't did a better job or a simple NFS high stakes?" And the answer is: they want to make money in the easy way :). They think that with the great install base, they can make a crap game with low costs, and make a profit. You need to speak with a programmer and also need to understand about the Wii hardware.

 

We're talking about the Guitar Hero makers here. I think they have a fairly good understanding of what sells on the Wii and a fairly good Wii track record...

I've been writing software for a living for the last 12 years, I think I have a pretty good understanding of what it involves, most likely more than the majority of people actually posting on this site.

The "Guitar hero makers" want to make money like every enterprise. You are saying that the problem is the Wii hardware, right?

-The ps2 has a high number of FPS games that is not a crap

-you probably know that even the GC has a better hadware than the ps2

-the Wii has almost the same hardware than the GC.

This is maths. If you say that the Wii can't have better games than Call of Duty Wii, you will kill the obvious. You can begin to compare the FPS games in the PS2 and the FPS games in the Wii, the dedication (of any developer) in the PS2 clearly was bigger.

@edit: and about the "Guitar Hero Makers", they can use a crap engine to work, they can port the game from the PS2, and what you will see? a PS2 graphic, and not a Wii graphic =/



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Pyramid Head said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Bomzaldroppen said:
Pyramid Head said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Pyramid Head said:

 

 

 

didnt mean to call you broke ass or nothin

judging by the systems and games you have, you truly are missing out tho with no 360/ps3

i was missing out with no wii, tho i originally was a hater, so i bought one

 

1) Well, what else could you have meant when you made that statement?

2) What brought you to that, "judgement"? And with my PC, how much am I REALLY missing out on by not owning a PS3 or 360 or both?

3) Good for you I guess. I want what I like, and as is obvious, I am not too broke to afford only Wii and I made a decision not to buy thee other consoles. Maybe I do not feel like I am missing out on enough to warrant the purchase of thee other consoles... maybe...

4) Sorry it took me so long to reply but you made statements that were out of line and completely false.

 



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