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Forums - Sales Discussion - The Official December NPD 2008 Thread

Kenology on 15 January 2009
outlawauron said:
Ouch at Wii. That was pretty bad.

Everything else but 360 is pretty good.

Are you saying "ouch" at us overtracking the Wii?  Or are you saying "ouch" at 2.15 million consoles sold and calling that "pretty bad"?



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bonkers555 on 15 January 2009
FishyJoe said:
Hyruken said:

 

 Its actually a 9% drop and yes dropping 9% at the busiest time of year in a market everyone else is growing is nasty. There is no spin you can put on it. The Wii,360,DS are all growing in sales while the Sony products are decreasing. These numbers will force Sony into either accepting 3rd place this gen or dropping prices.

 

The worst part of it is that there was only one PS3 software title in the top ten, and it barely made it and it got smoked by the 360 version. Software is where most of the profit is made. Third party developers won't be encouraged by these results.

 

I aggre with you two on this.  Wheres MGS4, LBP and Resistance 2 on that list?  Sony is in big trouble and you can't spin that.

 



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FishyJoe on 15 January 2009

I have to say, it's a little hard to believe that Wii Play + Wii Fit outsold the Wii. The attach rate for Wii would seemingly have had to jump way up.



Endz on 15 January 2009
ameratsu said:
frybread said:
Outcast said:
Incoming damage control from Nintendo fans I guess. Haven't heard short supply for a while, what say you roll that one out again for our enjoyment.

 

No damage control needed, #1 "insert whine remark" console, #1 handheld, and Wii had half of the top 10 "insert whine" games.

 

fixed

 

Fixed for people who want to whine, they know exactly where to put it now. No thanks needed.

I was very surprised too but PS3 doing pretty good factoring in time on market/price. I think Wii number is too low considering the news reports that Wii is in shortages and selling out, etc.



Oyvoyvoyv on 15 January 2009

Again, VGChartz managed to delete my post. I need to fix this...



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

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megaman79 on 15 January 2009
FishyJoe said:
Nintendo and Activision make up 80% of the top 10. While Left 4 dead did better than expected, EA still got left in the dust. Not having RB2 for the Wii ready was inexcusable.

 

Its happening more often, almost like theres a Wii version delay conspiracy happening.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

luisgvm on 15 January 2009

was any console down YOY? and now we can solve the mistery of lbp was it really overtracked on the spot or maybe undertracked?.



Aj_habfan on 15 January 2009
bonkers555 said:
FishyJoe said:
Hyruken said:

 

 Its actually a 9% drop and yes dropping 9% at the busiest time of year in a market everyone else is growing is nasty. There is no spin you can put on it. The Wii,360,DS are all growing in sales while the Sony products are decreasing. These numbers will force Sony into either accepting 3rd place this gen or dropping prices.

 

The worst part of it is that there was only one PS3 software title in the top ten, and it barely made it and it got smoked by the 360 version. Software is where most of the profit is made. Third party developers won't be encouraged by these results.

 

I aggre with you two on this.  Wheres MGS4, LBP and Resistance 2 on that list?  Sony is in big trouble and you can't spin that.

 

When you sell a half and a third of the hardware of your competitors, and have an install base that doesn't touch the competition, you generally don't sell more software.

Seriously, it's been this way in America for over two years now, and this is a very rough patch for Sony. Stop acting like it's a shock to anyone.

 



FishyJoe on 15 January 2009

Oh yeah, can someone explain to me how MK DS made it so high? I don't recall seeing any bundle.



alpha_dk on 15 January 2009
TWRoO said:
DMeisterJ said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
TheSource said:

I'm very suspicious of the Wii number given that December had five weeks and that November had four.

2.04m/4 weeks in Nov = 510k/week

2.15m/5 weeks in Dec = 430k/week

 

Does anyone really believe Nintendo would ship more in November weeks than in December weeks? If they just sent a massive allocation for November and hoped it would hold and sent a comparable allocation for December its a pretty terrible tactical decision.

November software:

 1. Gears of War 2 (Microsoft, Xbox 360) - 1.56 million
2. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, Xbox 360) - 1.41 million
3. Wii Play (Nintendo, Wii) - 796,000
4. Wii Fit (Nintendo, Wii) - 697,000
5. Mario Kart (Nintendo, Wii) - 637,00
6. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, PS3) - 597,000 
7. Guitar Hero: World Tour (Activision Blizzard, Wii) - 475,000 
8. Left 4 Dead (Electronic Arts, Xbox 360) - 410,000
9. Resistance 2 (Sony, PlayStation 3) - 385,000
10. Wii Music (Nintendo, Wii) - 297,000

 

 

December software:

1. Wii Play w/ remote - Wii – Nintendo – 1.46 million
2. Call of Duty: World at War - Xbox 360 – Activision – 1.33 million*
3. Wii Fit w/ balance board – Wii – Nintendo – 999K
4. Mario Kart Wii w/ wheel – Wii – Nintendo – 979K
5. Guitar Hero: World Tour - Wii – Activision – 850K*
6. Gears of War 2 - Xbox 360 – Microsoft – 745K*
7. Left 4 Dead - Xbox 360 – Electronic Arts – 629K
8. Mario Kart - DS – Nintendo – 540K
9. Call of Duty: World at War - PS3 – Activision – 533K
10. Animal Crossing: City Folk - Wii – Nintendo – 497K*

 

Total for each

November: 7264K

December: 8562K

 

Pr week that is

November: 1816K

December: 1712K

 

So the top 10 software was actually lower in December than in November? Seems a bit fishy to me.

5 weeks versus 4 weeks, and lack of Black friday doesn't seem too fishy at all.

 

How long have you been here DMJ....December is the 5 week month. but that doesn't matter, he accounted for that by figuring out the weekly.

The other thing that is fishy by the way, is the huge rise in Wii Play sales, because Wii Play generally follows the hardware sales because new Wii owners buy it to get an extra controller.... so wtf is Wii Play doing almost doubling it's sales from Nov-Dec when the Wii barely rose.

If there was a supply issue with the Wii, fewer people would have bought Wii Play.

 

Last year, Wii Nov sales were approximately Wii December sales, and Wii Play Nov. sales were about half Wii Play Dec. sales.  As much as I hate to admit it, this does have historical precidence.  (Americas only used for the comparison)

What I can't remember is whether either month were 5-week months last year.  Is it the same every year? So was December 2007 a 5-week month?



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