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DTG said:
Lolcislaw said:
Well this is anecdotal evidence, i doubt this has any impact on the overall Sales. I understand some people buying a second console, if you stuck with older model you might want to get a Jasper to reduce noise, heat etc. etc. etc.

@DTG

Dude think what you wrote there, PS3 is EXPENSIVE even for people with decent jobs, because for majority of people spending something like 299 pounds on a product is a big deal.

 

Look, looking at annual GNP (income per capita) figures in the United states, it is around 50.000$ per person in 2008. That means the average American makes about 4200 a month. 1050 a week. Is 299 or 399 or even 499 such a big deal when the average person makes that amount in less than 2-3 days? And that's the average income, there is a sizable portion of the population making well over that amount. 399 is a few days worth of work at most. Burger flippers don't count.

 

unless they are caring for a family have to pay rent, for heating, cable, a car, groceries, college loans, thats where most of my money goes, and im making at the moment right under 50k a year right now, rent can be a big killer depending on where you are... for me its paying off college, once thats done ill have quite a bit more ot blow on stuff like that 



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DTG said:
I never said it doesn't effect hardware sales. What I am saying is that it shouldn't effect hardware sales, because most westerners have or can easily create the cash to buy a 399 system. 399 is nothing, even a student willing to flip burgers for 2 weeks would have enough for a ps3. Thee average, educated worker should have no problem affording a ps3 without complaining about expenses.

 

dude do you work for a living, i remember college, worked full time while i was there, and that right there what your pushing is bullshit.... and i had a good college job 



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DTG said:
dougsdad0629 said:
sinha said:
dougsdad0629 said:

In other words, despite how many systems your site has tracked being sold, how many have been to UNIQUE users?

 

So... I own and use two 360s... therefore the second one DOESN'T COUNT, because it was not sold to a UNIQUE user? 

 

Okay vgchartz data collectors, please -1 360 sale.

 

 

 

 

The problem is that redundant users still only buy 1 person's worth of software.  This might partially explain why we keep reading articles about how this or that developer has made more money off of their PS3 version of a game vs. their 360.  Then again, those articles might have nothing to do with redundancy at all.  Your situation is different.  You use both your 360s.  I'm talking about people who buy 1, it breaks and then instead of getting it fixed for FREE, they instead buy another 1 for $200 or more.

 

omg, stop making it seem like getting the console fixed for free is such a great deal. It takes WEEKS of downtime for you to recieve the system back and begin playing your games again. Maybe for a casual gamer that is no big deal, but many hardcore gamers wouldn't be able to survive for several weeks without their system of choice. 200 for instant gratification is not too much to pay for.

 

 It took 4 days till I had my new Xbox360 back + 1 month free Xbox Live gold. And I am in Europe. MS has a really great service. Well experience, I guess. ^^

 

And to keep on: You said:

"Look, looking at annual GNP (income per capita) figures in the United states, it is around 50.000$ per person in 2008."

  1. Are you sure it is per person? I mean I doubt a 3 years old child has 50k to spend. I guess it is per employee or something.
  2. Are you sure that 50k is the income, well with or without taxes?
  3. Well the PS3 just can't match the Xbox360s sales, if it is not the price, what might be the true reason? Are you saying the PS3 is inferior? According to your logic it can't be superior, it sells less and price doesn't matter.
  4. What is your prediction for the Xbox360 sales in 09? You say MS will be lucky, when they reach 35 million, so that would make 4 million in 09 and 4 million in 2010? Could I put this prediction in my sig?


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DTG - But then you look at the value of thriftiness as a threat to the Playstation 3. Many may see the $399 pricetag, and what it offers as not being within what they want - Why buy a Playstation 3 for $399 and still have to buy games to use it...While you could get a X360 + games for $200, or a Wii + Wii Sports for $250?

Thriftiness may trump the idea that '$200 isn't much more to pay for a video game machine! I swear!'

But look at most electronics today - MP3 players, DVD players, iPods, cell phones. Most people go not for the costly device, but the ones that provide what they need cheaply.



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DTG said:
Lolcislaw said:
Well this is anecdotal evidence, i doubt this has any impact on the overall Sales. I understand some people buying a second console, if you stuck with older model you might want to get a Jasper to reduce noise, heat etc. etc. etc.

@DTG

Dude think what you wrote there, PS3 is EXPENSIVE even for people with decent jobs, because for majority of people spending something like 299 pounds on a product is a big deal.

 

Look, looking at annual GNP (income per capita) figures in the United states, it is around 50.000$ per person in 2008. That means the average American makes about 4200 a month. 1050 a week. Is 299 or 399 or even 499 such a big deal when the average person makes that amount in less than 2-3 days? And that's the average income, there is a sizable portion of the population making well over that amount. 399 is a few days worth of work at most. Burger flippers don't count.

Income Per Capita is not really helpful here, because it mixes those really rich with the rest it does not reflect how much money majority of people have (it's usually lower then GNP), so do not look at that. Plus like others have said there are so many spendings in every week/month that will make a purchase of a console a big deal, because budget needs to be balanced. It seems easy when you're single with no kids and have a good job that can support your hobby but thats minority of people.

Price is a major factor and PS3 is expensive, if it was not it would not get such medicore sales during the Holidays, when 360's are selling like hotcakes because of the cheap arcade model. Holidays do cost a lot of money, so people choose more economical product as a gift.

Im in University at the moment, and recently i've bought a DS then i had to starve (well maybe it a bit less)for about a week and not get wasted as usuall for this same amount of money to make up for money i've spent on it.

 



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I know three people who bought 360's exactly when their existing one RRoD'ed, not wanting to wait for a replacement. It definitely is a real phenomenon (Cheapie D being a somewhat similar scenario?), but I doubt it adds up to a significant percentage.




DTG said:
First, the 360 is lucky to sell 35-37 million LTD. 55 million is laughable.

Second, the ps3 is not expensive. If you have a good job a ps3 is next to nothing and the only people complaining are teenagers, unemployed, or the uneducated stuck with crap jobs.
DTG said:

Look, looking at annual GNP (income per capita) figures in the United states, it is around 50.000$ per person in 2008. That means the average American makes about 4200 a month. 1050 a week. Is 299 or 399 or even 499 such a big deal when the average person makes that amount in less than 2-3 days? And that's the average income, there is a sizable portion of the population making well over that amount. 399 is a few days worth of work at most. Burger flippers don't count.

 

 

 lol, you sound a bit elitistic but those comments were damn funny.

 



I'll agree that if you have kids, you'll find yourself with considerably less disposable income. Most parents however buy their kids bunch of useless toys, games, etc all the time at the expense of their own entertainment. If you postponed that furby and barbie house for a couple of months and bought a few crayons and a stack of paper in the meantime you'd already be much closer to buying a ps3. I mean you're only buying 1-3 consoles every 5 years, I'm not telling you to quit buying presents for your children. However better planning would afford you to save 399 on a ps3 by the same logic that you can spend 500+ a year on your childs (non educational) junk.

Also, people don't always go for the cheapest electronics. Look at the ipod. It's probably one the most if not the most expense mp3 player on the market...and the best selling one. Same with the iphone. Price isn't the sole determinant of uptake.

Even if you're making minimum wage and picking up checks from the government you should be making over 15 grand a year. Save up 30 bucks a month (8 dollars a week) and you have your ps3 in one years time. Which would be by last Christmas, instead of complaining in late 2008. Heck, even a young, unemployed teen gets more than 8 dollars a week in allowance,



So DTG basically turned this thread into putting down people for not buying a PS3.



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