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Has to be read to understand how stupid or is.

Kevin Smith's idea to save the new Batman show is to have Marvel, thus Disney, own DC. Disney doesn't need to own every fucking thing in existence, Kevin.



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The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.



SuaveSocialist said:

The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.

But not Disney. Their monopoly is out of control.



SuaveSocialist said:

The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.

But that isn't really what this is about. It is essentially about Disney buying an existing show that falls under the DC banner (but not part of the DCEU). 

Which, I feel like we should all be able to look at that and go "Oh, Disney owning more of the comic book sphere? That is bad."

Like, yeah, the MCU has some good stuff in it, but it also has a lot of flaws, many of which come from the sameness of it all. We need more diversity in comic book movies, and whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing. Disney needs to keep their hands away from DC.

Also, the show is led in part by Bruce Timm, who is one of the most influential and important individuals in the history of superhero TV. 



sundin13 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.

But that isn't really what this is about. It is essentially about Disney buying an existing show that falls under the DC banner (but not part of the DCEU). 

Which, I feel like we should all be able to look at that and go "Oh, Disney owning more of the comic book sphere? That is bad."

Like, yeah, the MCU has some good stuff in it, but it also has a lot of flaws, many of which come from the sameness of it all. We need more diversity in comic book movies, and whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing. Disney needs to keep their hands away from DC.

Also, the show is led in part by Bruce Timm, who is one of the most influential and important individuals in the history of superhero TV. 

I don't believe Disney will have creative control over this show, Warner Bros Discovery is simply selling the streaming rights rather than putting it on HBO Max cause they're stupid and desperate for money. The interested parties are Apple+, Netflix and Hulu which while owned majority by Disney (67%) is also owned by Comcast (33%) and still technically separate from Disney+ for now.

Until 2024* Lol. But that's if Disney can afford to buy the rest from Comcast.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 28 August 2022

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sundin13 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.

But that isn't really what this is about. It is essentially about Disney buying an existing show that falls under the DC banner (but not part of the DCEU). 

Which, I feel like we should all be able to look at that and go "Oh, Disney owning more of the comic book sphere? That is bad."

Like, yeah, the MCU has some good stuff in it, but it also has a lot of flaws, many of which come from the sameness of it all. We need more diversity in comic book movies, and whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing. Disney needs to keep their hands away from DC.

Also, the show is led in part by Bruce Timm, who is one of the most influential and important individuals in the history of superhero TV. 

Overall ramifications on the industry aside, I think the point is who would and could step in and save this property. While intuitively it seems that any company should be able to print money with Batman, that doesn't seem to be the case. Whether it's good or bad for the industry Marvel seems like the ones who would most be able to make it work. 

Think of it this way, if Smith had named ANY other company, would this thread exist? The idea of Marvel doing a Batman show is so attention grabbing itself that it would almost guarantee success.



JWeinCom said:
sundin13 said:

But that isn't really what this is about. It is essentially about Disney buying an existing show that falls under the DC banner (but not part of the DCEU). 

Which, I feel like we should all be able to look at that and go "Oh, Disney owning more of the comic book sphere? That is bad."

Like, yeah, the MCU has some good stuff in it, but it also has a lot of flaws, many of which come from the sameness of it all. We need more diversity in comic book movies, and whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing. Disney needs to keep their hands away from DC.

Also, the show is led in part by Bruce Timm, who is one of the most influential and important individuals in the history of superhero TV. 

Overall ramifications on the industry aside, I think the point is who would and could step in and save this property. While intuitively it seems that any company should be able to print money with Batman, that doesn't seem to be the case. Whether it's good or bad for the industry Marvel seems like the ones who would most be able to make it work. 

Think of it this way, if Smith had named ANY other company, would this thread exist? The idea of Marvel doing a Batman show is so attention grabbing itself that it would almost guarantee success.

I don't think this really needs saving. It just needs a home after the collapse of WB. There isn't really any reason to believe that the creative teams behind this project are incapable of putting out a good product or any reason to believe the homogeneity beam of Disney would improve upon it in any way.



Ryuu96 said:
sundin13 said:

But that isn't really what this is about. It is essentially about Disney buying an existing show that falls under the DC banner (but not part of the DCEU). 

Which, I feel like we should all be able to look at that and go "Oh, Disney owning more of the comic book sphere? That is bad."

Like, yeah, the MCU has some good stuff in it, but it also has a lot of flaws, many of which come from the sameness of it all. We need more diversity in comic book movies, and whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing. Disney needs to keep their hands away from DC.

Also, the show is led in part by Bruce Timm, who is one of the most influential and important individuals in the history of superhero TV. 

I don't believe Disney will have creative control over this show, Warner Bros Discovery is simply selling the streaming rights rather than putting it on HBO Max cause they're stupid and desperate for money. The interested parties are Apple+, Netflix and Hulu which while owned majority by Disney (67%) is also owned by Comcast (33%) and still technically separate from Disney+ for now.

Until 2024* Lol. But that's if Disney can afford to buy the rest from Comcast.

Fuck, you've jinxed us all. -_-



sundin13 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The DCFU has only one movie that was both critically acclaimed and a box office smash. DC has also barely managed to release two consecutive Certified Fresh movies.

How many years has this failure montage been going on for? At this point, Kevin might be right. DC should either scrap everything and go back to the drawing board or let someone with a proven track record take over.

"whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing."

The DCFU would be in a far, far better state that it's currently in if they felt like Marvel movies.  At present, over half of DCFU's movies don't even feel like good ones.  And that is very much not a good thing.



SuaveSocialist said:
sundin13 said:

"whether or not DC has the best track record, when I watch a DC movie, they often don't feel like Marvel movies and that is very much a good thing."

The DCFU would be in a far, far better state that it's currently in if they felt like Marvel movies.  At present, over half of DCFU's movies don't even feel like good ones.  And that is very much not a good thing.

They can be made to feel like Marvel movies WITHOUT being owned by Disney.