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Forums - Sony Discussion - [DF] + [Gamer Nexus] Colab testing Old vs New PS5 model

Is the new cooling better? worse? does it make a differnce?

Videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8-97fwkO78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWuGA8cExo

TL:DR :

SOC Mid_Back 2021: 71.7 -> WORSE
SOC Mid_Back 2020: 67.9    (*note: he mentions he reapplied the liquid metal, and did a better job than sony here) (so maybe real differnce is less)

Mem1 Top 2021: 74.8. -> BETTER
Mem1 Top 2020: 78.0

Mem4 Top 2021: 82.4. -> BETTER
Mem4 Top 2020: 86.3

Mem3 Bottom 2021: 87.4. ->WORSE
Mem3 Bottom 2020: 86.9

VRM MOSFET 2021: 67.4. -> BETTER
VRM MOSFET 2020: 73.0

Sounds like the guy from Gamers Nexus was actually most worried about the Memory and VRMs temps, when it comes to how long your console will last. In that sense the newer model, is actually better?

What do you guys think?
Seems like a big nothing burger lol.



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It was always going to be a nothing burger. Some people spread FUD over nothing because of a slight redesign of the heatsink. At the end of the day, one should always stop and think of the simple fact that companies generally don't kneecap their own hardware. These things always goes through lots of testing. Sure in the past, we have had issues with RROD and etc but those days are long gone.

Austin Evans is the real facepalm person out of all of this. Lets point a thermal camera and come to a nonsense conclusion instead of doing the work like GN and DF does to find what's actually going on.



             

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Something else I haven't really seen brought up, is hardware longevity vs generation longevity. Depending on how long the generation lasts, along with extra life due to potential cross gen years, the system can and probably will be built to last however long it needs to for that lifecycle. Electronics are not built to last forever.

We likely won't have a reasonably good idea about how long this gen will last until year 3 or 4 of the lifecycle. If the PS5 is meant to be the only model, beyond a slim, in terms of it's performance, then it may only have a 5 or 6 year lifecycle. If that's the case, the console typically would not be built with the same generational longevity in mind, so the hardware could be of lesser quality, or could be of average to high quality and pushed much closer to it's limits.
For all we know it could be a 10 year gen, in which case SNY's engineers no doubt were aware of this from the beginning and would have designed PS5 to last that long. Like how GN explains, just because a part has a rating, doesn't necessarily mean that's the breaking point. The manufacturer could very well be lowballing the max limits just to be on the safe side. SNY no doubt would have inquired about this and would be keeping those parts within their true hard limits if they needed to push the soft paper limits.

SNY knows well what screwing up with hardware meant to them with PS3, even when it came to cooling earlier on, and to solidify that they know what happened to the 360 in terms of rushing a product and it's overheating issues.
When it came to the PS4 they fixed many of the problems. Though as you solve old problems, new problems, that aren't really problems per say, tend to arise that didn't prior like, 'the console is too loud and we want it to be quieter'. Now even though people seemed to like the small sleek console design, they didn't like the noise which was a byproduct of that.
Then there's the XB1, that was a huge hideous monstrosity, in which even though it also certainly fixed the cooling problems and concerns, it was big and ugly, though quiet.

SNY has taken all of this and more into account with PS5. They didn't rush it, they made sure it was kept cool enough and quiet, which also meant a larger console, but they made sure that it wasn't some boring bland ugly box. They made it futuristic and elegant, which makes up for the size when it comes to most people, though some obviously weren't going to like it because you can't please everyone in every way. Some prefer a more simplistic approach or would rather put up with the noise of a small box.
SNY even made their own version of liquid metal for remarkable thermal transfer from the APU to the heatsink, They obviously went into great detail when designing this thing, and after 5 generations with many revisions of each console in each gen, not to mentions their competitors, it shouldn't be a huge surprise that they finally seem to have found the sweet spot overall in terms of hardware design. Even MS with the XBSS and XBSX have come so far in terms of building reliably marketable hardware.

I would also argue SNY as well as MS, hit the perfect price to performance ratio this time around. PS4 was close but certainly could have been slightly more performant especially when it came to the CPU, though they didn't have a lot of choices back then either. XB1 was just a price to performance disaster, especially in comparison to PS4.

Hats off to DF and GN (and a few others) for their in depth testing and analysis to prove it.



He said differences too small to really matter so more or less the same.





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Captain_Yuri said:

It was always going to be a nothing burger. Some people spread FUD over nothing because of a slight redesign of the heatsink. At the end of the day, one should always stop and think of the simple fact that companies generally don't kneecap their own hardware. These things always goes through lots of testing. Sure in the past, we have had issues with RROD and etc but those days are long gone.

Austin Evans is the real facepalm person out of all of this. Lets point a thermal camera and come to a nonsense conclusion instead of doing the work like GN and DF does to find what's actually going on.

For me, this comes as good news that the new model is cooler in some ways. However reducing a Heat sink by 300g is not a slight redesign as you claim. Its a massive chunk of the console taken out and the new part has been redesigned to make up the difference.

Also plenty of companies kneecap themselves if it comes to increasing their profit margins. Many new models in most electronics get redesigns over the years which can either be by removing features from the original design or by taking parts out to reduce build costs etc. My KS8000 (2016) Samsung TV has 2x builtin Subwoofers which the later NU8000 (2018) does not. They were replaced by 1x front speaker instead. 

NU8000 (2018)

KS8000 (2016)

The issue isn't Austin Evans, its fanboys from both sides of the fence that took a none deep dive video and blew it up to something its not. The guy wanted to check what was the 300g difference. He is allowed to have his opinion, he never claimed it as a fact it runs hotter without actually doing a deep dive on it. When people don't want to hear what they want to hear they will paint them as either a fanboy or to blame. When DF did videos comparing the XB1X to the PS4 Pro many fanboys claimed DF Xbox shills. But now DF is a source for them to use because they claim something they simply want to hear. 

Last edited by Azzanation - on 17 September 2021

So some things are better, some things are worse so net basically the same, weighs a little less, Sony saves a couple dimes, everybody happy.



JRPGfan said:

TL:DR :

SOC Mid_Back 2021: 71.7 -> WORSE
SOC Mid_Back 2020: 67.9    (*note: he mentions he reapplied the liquid metal, and did a better job than sony here) (so maybe real differnce is less)

Mem1 Top 2021: 74.8. -> BETTER
Mem1 Top 2020: 78.0

Mem4 Top 2021: 82.4. -> BETTER
Mem4 Top 2020: 86.3

Mem3 Bottom 2021: 87.4. ->WORSE
Mem3 Bottom 2020: 86.9

VRM MOSFET 2021: 67.4. -> BETTER
VRM MOSFET 2020: 73.0

You are using the data from the "frankenstein" tests where they mixed parts from multiple consoles. The stock tests are at 13:30 in the video.

The stock 2020 vs 2021 model results were this:

SOC Mid_Back 2021: 71.6 -> WORSE
SOC Mid_Back 2020: 66.5 

Mem1 Top 2021: 74.7 -> BETTER
Mem1 Top 2020: 77.6

Mem4 Top 2021: 82.3 -> BETTER
Mem4 Top 2020: 86.0

Mem3 Bottom 2021: 87.3 -> BETTER
Mem3 Bottom 2020: 88.4

Mem1 Bottom 2021: 77.6 -> BETTER
Mem1 Bottom 2020: 80.8

VRM MOSFET 2021: 67.3 -> BETTER
VRM MOSFET 2020: 69.0

71.6c on an APU isn't concerning, if it was then they would ramp up the fan speed to compensate but it isn't necessary. Both consoles perform the same, it doesn't matter which one you get.



Evilms said: