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Forums - Politics Discussion - The Israeli-Palestinian Crisis in mainstream media is getting exposure as ethnic cleansing

The Palestinians were once the dominated ethnic group in the area 100+ years ago, they are now in the minority, decades of a systematic attempt at eradicating them is only now decades later being talked about in mainstream media, as a US 'friend' the Israelis have been protected from any consequence by both the Est Reps and Est Dems (Now Biden) in part using the talking points of 'false equivalency', any other country would be soundly condemned by the US long ago

Having accurate open questions and dialogue on this issue in the US has been very difficult in the past, maybe it's changing ever so little and a clearer picture of events is immerging for your average US citizen watching the news, the opinions of the US people are critical to this situation, it is only the US with it's unique connection to Israel that can play a roll in helping in this decades old human rights abuse, one of the worst the world has seen    

  

Note: Edited for accuracy, the population % of various groups I posted originally were inaccurate, I apologise for any confusion 

Last edited by Rab - on 13 May 2021

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Really terrible what the Israeli government is doing the the Palestinian people. Also sucks what Hamas is doing. Hope they find peace in that region and Palestinian can get some of that land back.



Rab said:

The Palestinians were once 97% of the population in the Israeli area 100+ years ago, they barely make up 3% now, decades of a systematic attempt at eradicating them is only now decades later being talked about in mainstream media, as a US 'friend' the Israelis have been protected from any consequence by both the Est Reps and Est Dems (Now Biden) in part using the talking points of 'false equivalency', any other country would be soundly condemned by the US long ago

Having accurate open questions and dialogue on this issue in the US has been very difficult in the past, maybe it's changing ever so little and a clearer picture of events is immerging for your average US citizen watching the news, the opinions of the US people are critical to this situation, it is only the US with it's unique connection to Israel that can play a roll in helping in this decades old human rights abuse, one of the worst the world has seen    

  

Not really up on the current situation, but the beginning is factually off.

I believe 100 years ago, Palestinians would have made up 100% of the Palestinian population. Cause... what was the other option? There was no Israel yet, so there could not have been any Israeli. But, at the time Jews made up about 1/10 of the population by British estimations. The population then was about 700,000, all people included. 

As of today there are about 1.89 million Arabs living in Israel making up about 20% of the population of Israel. How many of them would be considered Palestinian is hard to say based on their self identification, but it would be considerably more than 700,000. This is relatively consistent with the demographics after 1948, where it is estimated that 80% of the Arab population fled Palestine.

There are additionally 2 million living in Gaza, and about 2.7 million in the West Bank. Not sure what you're calling the Israeli area, but I'm pretty sure that by any definition, Palestinians make up more than 3%. The absolute number of which seems to be going up not down, within Israel's official borders, or occupied area.

Since 2005, about 4000 Palestinians have been killed. https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths I absolutely am not trying to minimize or justify this, however, the term systematic eradication does not seem to fit. I would also question in this is either one of the worst the world has ever seen, or even the worst in the region, considering the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Syria and Yemen, the activities of ISIS, and so on. Again though, not as bad as ISIS doesn't make anything Israel has done acceptable.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 13 May 2021

JWeinCom said:

Not really up on the current situation, but the beginning is factually off.

I believe 100 years ago, Palestinians would have made up 100% of the Palestinian population. Cause... what was the other option?

Other ethnic groups.. anyway those % were stated in the video, they may not be spot on but that isnt the point 

The eradication is not about straight up killing, that would be a far too simplistic interpretation of what genocide is from a particular area, it's sneaker and slower, it's about the displacement of peoples, the forcing out of people from a place by creating an environment that is intensely hostile to a normal, safe, workable life for families, again it's talked about in the video.. this is why open dialogue not just of the Israeli side and it's supporters is so important, we just don't get what is truly happening from all concerned, the thread is about the uniqueness of this showing up currently in mainstream media and why it would be great to see more of it       



Rab said:
JWeinCom said:

Not really up on the current situation, but the beginning is factually off.

I believe 100 years ago, Palestinians would have made up 100% of the Palestinian population. Cause... what was the other option?

Other ethnic groups.. anyway those % were stated in the video, they may not be spot on but that isnt the point 

The eradication is not about straight up killing, that would be a far too simplistic interpretation of what genocide is from a particular area, it's sneaker and slower, it's about the displacement of peoples, the forcing out of people from a place by creating an environment that is intensely hostile to a normal, safe, workable life for families, again it's talked about in the video.. this is why open dialogue not just of the Israeli side and it's supporters is so important, we just don't get what is truly happening from all concerned, the thread is about the uniqueness of this showing up currently in mainstream media and why it would be great to see more of it       

No, eradication is absolutely about straight up killing. As is genocide. 

Eradication (noun)- the complete destruction of something.

Genocide- (noun)- the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Both definitions are from the Oxford English Dictionary. If by eradication and genocide you mean displacement, then the word you should have used is probably displacement. 

Open dialogue is important, but the best way to start that is probably by accurately describing the issue.

As to the main point... If Israel's goal is to eliminate Palestinians from within their borders, they have been doing a very poor job of it since 1948 as the Arab population of Jerusalem has been rising. It is not a very slow expulsion of Israel's Arab population. At this rate it would literally take infinity years for that to happen.



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JWeinCom said:
Rab said:

Other ethnic groups.. anyway those % were stated in the video, they may not be spot on but that isnt the point 

The eradication is not about straight up killing, that would be a far too simplistic interpretation of what genocide is from a particular area, it's sneaker and slower, it's about the displacement of peoples, the forcing out of people from a place by creating an environment that is intensely hostile to a normal, safe, workable life for families, again it's talked about in the video.. this is why open dialogue not just of the Israeli side and it's supporters is so important, we just don't get what is truly happening from all concerned, the thread is about the uniqueness of this showing up currently in mainstream media and why it would be great to see more of it       

No, eradication is absolutely about straight up killing. As is genocide. 

Eradication (noun)- the complete destruction of something.

Genocide- (noun)- the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Both definitions are from the Oxford English Dictionary. If by eradication and genocide you mean displacement, then the word you should have used is probably displacement. 

Open dialogue is important, but the best way to start that is probably by accurately describing the issue.

As to the main point... If Israel's goal is to eliminate Palestinians from within their borders, they have been doing a very poor job of it since 1948 as the Arab population of Jerusalem has been rising. It is not a very slow expulsion of Israel's Arab population. At this rate it would literally take infinity years for that to happen.

To eradicate or see the destruction of something is not simply killing humans, it could be lively hoods, culture, you name it to drive them from a place 

Genocide can fall into these five categories:

  1. Killing members of the group
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide 

Your missing the point of the thread, hopefully not deliberately  

If you want to derail this by nit picking, Ill move on

Last edited by Rab - on 13 May 2021

Rab said:

The Palestinians were once 97% of the population in the Israeli area 100+ years ago, they barely make up 3% now

I agree its terrible but I can't let this slide how is this number even possible, I just had a quick search for Palestinians in israel and get the number 1,890,000 

so if 3% of population of the israeli area Palestinian, that means there must be 63 million people in the israeli area, I dont think its anywhere near that.



GProgrammer said:
Rab said:

The Palestinians were once 97% of the population in the Israeli area 100+ years ago, they barely make up 3% now

I agree its terrible but I can't let this slide how is this number even possible, I just had a quick search for Palestinians in israel and get the number 1,890,000 

so if 3% of population of the israeli area Palestinian, that means there must be 63 million people in the israeli area, I dont think its anywhere near that.

Your right, I checked with the video, I got that part completely wrong, miss heard it :/.. Ill edit the OP and remove it, sorry for the mistake

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Rab said:

any other country would be soundly condemned by the US long ago

Gotta call bullshit on this. Where's the US condemnation of China's genocide of the Uyghurs? The Saudi genocide in Yemen? Or the Cameroonian genocide in Southern Cameroons/Ambazonia?

There have probably been plenty of others the US neglected that I don't know about too.



This is a good video. Michael Brooks (rip) explains that the Israel Palestinian conflict is pretty simple as opposed to the argument that it's complicated. There is one overwhelming power that is an occupying force and holds all the control and another group that throws rocks and shoots bottle rockets. It's pretty clear what party is in the wrong here, namely the apartheid state that is Israel.