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In the past 10 years or so we have seem an increase in the numbers of transgender in some sports that have separation by birth sex. And some cases became famous (including in Brazil). Several involves former male athletes that weren't well know before and that transitioned to trans female and became famous and in some cases broke records or won championships either individual or collective sports.

There is several discussion on this and many wrong assumptions, like what would be considered acceptable to claim to have truly crossed to the other genre for sport consideration, time since it started, hormonal level, etc.

But one thing that haven't saw a famous case yet is a former female athlete that have transitioned to be a trans male athlete and became a powerhouse at the sport. Do anyone heard a famous case?

And in homage to Ren, this discussion will probably take sometime to really be sorted by olympic committee and we may either end up having a third category in olympics with "non-binary" where it won't matter gender at birth or present so all compete together (sure some sports would still have weight categories), or we may end with similar to paralympic a multi-tiered categories for trans people that accomodate to different hormone levels, sex at birth, etc.

By the way there is one excelent manga about a female dressed as his brother that compete and goes almost until reaching olympics, Nononono. I recommend reading it, the story is very addictive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nononono

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I would be surprised if a female athlete turned into male athlete would beat a male. Males have more muscle mass by default.



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I dont think this is a good idea. Some people will just be upset and Im not sure anything good will come from it.



Peh said:
I would be surprised if a female athlete turned into male athlete would beat a male. Males have more muscle mass by default.

There are some sports were technique and experience is quite more important than raw muscle. But I do imagine that will be hard to come to a case that a trans male athlete even with testosterone on the level of male will be able to compete to the point of being olympic champion or whatnot.



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DonFerrari said:
Peh said:
I would be surprised if a female athlete turned into male athlete would beat a male. Males have more muscle mass by default.

There are some sports were technique and experience is quite more important than raw muscle. But I do imagine that will be hard to come to a case that a trans male athlete even with testosterone on the level of male will be able to compete to the point of being olympic champion or whatnot.

Yes, there are some, but every sport that needs strength and speed will go for the male.

I wouldn't let transgenders compete with the gender they identify with. This would need a new category only meant for transgender people. But I don't think they are enough to justify it.



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Peh said:
DonFerrari said:

There are some sports were technique and experience is quite more important than raw muscle. But I do imagine that will be hard to come to a case that a trans male athlete even with testosterone on the level of male will be able to compete to the point of being olympic champion or whatnot.

Yes, there are some, but every sport that needs strength and speed will go for the male.

I wouldn't let transgenders compete with the gender they identify with. This would need a new category only meant for transgender people. But I don't think they are enough to justify it.

Not yet, but probably some decades ago no one thought there were enough high level paralympic athletes to justify a whole olympic to them right?

And well if they allow transgender in the main olympics (I think if a paralympic reached regular olympic times and doesn't need special support he perhaps could try to compete in regular olympics) it is an athlete individual choice if wants to compete as transmale.



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Peh said:
I would be surprised if a female athlete turned into male athlete would beat a male. Males have more muscle mass by default.

I actually looked at this once. The only sports where women came even close to men in the olympics were some categories of shooting (which might use diferent scoring so I cannot comment on those) and long distance swimming (10km open waters)

In fact amateur women tend to beat amateur men at long distance swimming, though at the elite level men still clearly have the upper hand. This was because women have a higher body fat % on average, so they float more :P

So hypothetically I suppose a female long distance swimmer, who then transitioned into a man, may or may not beat men (idk if said trans man would get the best combination of both or the worst)



tack50 said:
Peh said:
I would be surprised if a female athlete turned into male athlete would beat a male. Males have more muscle mass by default.

I actually looked at this once. The only sports where women came even close to men in the olympics were some categories of shooting (which might use diferent scoring so I cannot comment on those) and long distance swimming (10km open waters)

In fact amateur women tend to beat amateur men at long distance swimming, though at the elite level men still clearly have the upper hand. This was because women have a higher body fat % on average, so they float more :P

So hypothetically I suppose a female long distance swimmer, who then transitioned into a man, may or may not beat men (idk if said trans man would get the best combination of both or the worst)

This is an interesting point. If someone made sylicone implants would that affect their floating capabilities and if so would count as dopping?



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May I suggest this be moved to the sports section?

Anyway, fair competition regarding trans people in sports seems like a nightmarish topic to discuss to me, mainly because of the sensitivity of the issue and because of the differences between 'natural' sexes.



Zkuq said:

May I suggest this be moved to the sports section?

Anyway, fair competition regarding trans people in sports seems like a nightmarish topic to discuss to me, mainly because of the sensitivity of the issue and because of the differences between 'natural' sexes.

it is quite simple toss em in the same category
so we will have 4 options
M
F
M=>F
F=>M



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