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There's no doubt about it, the recent UE5 demo for PS5 was a stroke of genius in terms of selling the graphical power of Sony's next gen machine.

The ball in MS's court now; they need to show Xbox Series X can produce results just as impressive. The recent gameplay event didn't quite cut it in this regard; nothing shown there looked even close to the UE5 showcase.

The run up to a generation is where a lot of narrative surrounding consoles is established; we saw this with the current generation where Xbox One's status as the less desirable machine was cemented before it even hit shelves, and no amount of backtracking ever quite repaired the damage.

Right now, Sony is establishing the narrative, as they have in previous generations, that Playstation is the top dog in graphics, the place to be for the best looking games. MS can either sit back and let them dictate the narrative, or they can challenge it.

"In-engine" cinematic stuff isn't going to do the trick; gamers have wised up to the fact that these can be faked. The reason the UE5 demo worked so well was that it was presented as gameplay. Whatever the best looking game MS have up their sleeve at the moment, they should put together a gameplay showcase for it. Show what their new system can do and why people who care about visuals shouldn't just get a PS5 instead.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 01 June 2020

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I am sure they are cooking up something to show off during their first party games event. Wouldn't be surprised if they show off a different engine as well like the Cry Engine.



             

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Forza is a easy pick for graphical showcase I’m not worried.

It still is frustrating that Sony took credit for that demo...they don’t use UE. The Coalition with Gears 5, Ninja Theory for Hellblade, upcoming games like Inexiles AAA game, Hellblade 2, Obsidians AAA projects. These are games that showcased and will showcase UE in its glory.

Far as I’m concerned the UE5 demo advertised what Series X can do with developers that actually use it (XGS). Perhaps at an even higher frame rate with better lighting. To anyone who may look to report, this isn’t baiting. Sony got the win I just feel it was a dirty move.



 

 

curl-6 said:

There's no doubt about it, the recent UE5 demo for PS5 was a stroke of genius in terms of selling the graphical power of Sony's next gen machine.

The ball in MS's court now; they need to show Xbox Series X can produce results just as impressive. The recent gameplay event didn't quite cut it in this regard; nothing shown there looked even close to the UE5 showcase.

The run up to a generation is where a lot of narrative surrounding consoles is established; we saw this with the current generation where Xbox One's status as the less desirable machine was cemented before it even hit shelves, and no amount of backtracking ever quite repaired the damage.

Right now, Sony is establishing the narrative, as they have in previous generations, that Playstation is the top dog in graphics, the place to be for the best looking games. MS can either sit back and let them dictate the narrative, or they can challenge it.

"In-engine" cinematic stuff isn't going to do the trick; gamers have wised up to the fact that these can be faked. The reason the UE5 demo worked so well was that it was presented as gameplay. Whatever the best looking game MS have up their sleeve at the moment, they should put together a gameplay showcase for it. Show what their new system can do and why people who care about visuals shouldn't just get a PS5 instead.

Worst part for them is that they can't really show UE5 (not even because of possible agreement from Sony and Epic) but because it would just be a "we can do it to" (and they already done that on tweeter and no result), and they need to show even prettier games than Sony if not their power advantage will look needless for most customers and if they are more expensive that will only hurt more.



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sales2099 said:
Forza is a easy pick for graphical showcase I’m not worried.

It still is frustrating that Sony took credit for that demo...they don’t use UE. The Coalition with Gears 5, Ninja Theory for Hellblade, upcoming games like Inexiles AAA game, Hellblade 2, Obsidians AAA projects. These are games that showcased and will showcase UE in its glory.

Far as I’m concerned the UE5 demo advertised what Series X can do with developers that actually use it (XGS). Perhaps at an even higher frame rate with better lighting. To anyone who may look to report, this isn’t baiting. Sony got the win I just feel it was a dirty move.

That is because Sony thought it would be unfair to show their exclusives before hand because they would look even better than UE5 demo and would put MS in a bad light =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

all they care about is frames per second.



sales2099 said:
Forza is a easy pick for graphical showcase I’m not worried.

It still is frustrating that Sony took credit for that demo...they don’t use UE. The Coalition with Gears 5, Ninja Theory for Hellblade, upcoming games like Inexiles AAA game, Hellblade 2, Obsidians AAA projects. These are games that showcased and will showcase UE in its glory.

Far as I’m concerned the UE5 demo advertised what Series X can do with developers that actually use it (XGS). Perhaps at an even higher frame rate with better lighting. To anyone who may look to report, this isn’t baiting. Sony got the win I just feel it was a dirty move.

Sony didn't take credit for anything. Epic gave them the credit. 

And Sony don't use it? I suppose Concrete Genie and Days Gone aren't Sony games? PixelOpus and Studio Bend aren't Sony studios? Sony has published some games on UE outside of these 2 from last year.  And it doesn't matter if Sony uses it or not, many other developers making games that will release on PS5 do use it. 

This is such a strange thing to try throw shade at Sony for. Just because Epic appears to have a better working relationship with Sony than Microsoft is not something to get upset about. 



KratosLives said:
all they care about is frames per second.

Battletoads at 300 frames pr secound confirmed :)
That 'll show off the power of the XSX!



sales2099 said:
Forza is a easy pick for graphical showcase I’m not worried.

It still is frustrating that Sony took credit for that demo...they don’t use UE. The Coalition with Gears 5, Ninja Theory for Hellblade, upcoming games like Inexiles AAA game, Hellblade 2, Obsidians AAA projects. These are games that showcased and will showcase UE in its glory.

Far as I’m concerned the UE5 demo advertised what Series X can do with developers that actually use it (XGS). Perhaps at an even higher frame rate with better lighting. To anyone who may look to report, this isn’t baiting. Sony got the win I just feel it was a dirty move.

I'm sorry but this response is hilarious.

OP: MS will have hellblade 2 to show hopefully but based on their cross gen commitment I'm concerned for them that it maybe the only true next gen showcase in July.

Even with the more powerful hardware, PS5 may win the graphics war in the mind of consumers.