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Mnementh said:
Nautilus said:

Wait, isn't New World Computing dead?

Yeah since ages, that's why I say whoever makes this sequel has big shoes to fill.

ahhhh got it!



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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I have always meant to get Catherine, and atlus having more switch support is always a good thing. Where’s SMTV though lol



SKMBlake said:

It's a remake

Vodacixi said:

I don't think it is. I see the exact same Wii game, scene by scene. The character movements, the shots, the lines, the gameplay... it's like a side by side copy. With better visuals, music and a revamped interface. It has not been remade. They just... worked over the original. Like painting a room with another color and puting some posters. The room hasn't been remade. Improved. But it's the same room.

It's an amazing remastering work. But not a remake.

Thanks both you guys for the input. I'll side with people saying it's a remake though, seems like a remake indeed

Should I wait this remake came out, finish it and just then play Xenoblade 2, or can I play Xenoblade 2 while wait Definitive Edition?



I will pick up Xenoblade and Catherine



Shiken said:
Vodacixi said:

I don't think it is. I see the exact same Wii game, scene by scene. The character movements, the shots, the lines, the gameplay... it's like a side by side copy. With better visuals, music and a revamped interface. It has not been remade. They just... worked over the original. Like painting a room with another color and puting some posters. The room hasn't been remade. Improved. But it's the same room.

It's an amazing remastering work. But not a remake.

Other examples of actual remakes are Ocarina of Time 3D, Majora's Mask 3D, Medievil on PS4, Spyro, and Crash.  REmake 2 and FFVII fall into a completely different category.

Ocarina of Time 3D, Majora's Mask 3D, Spyro and Crash are remasters. The first two share some glitches and bugs with their N64 counterparts. Their entire game logic is identical to their N64 counterparts. Which means the game has not been made from scratch. They took the N64 game and made it prettier. And introduced some QoL improvements thanks to the touch screen.

Spyro and Crash straight out tell you what they are in the box art.

I think you don't quite understand what remaking and remastering actually mean. When you remaster something, you take the original work and use different technical techniques and changes to update said work for the modern standards. It's what they do with old movies when they bring them into BluRay. The work can be more or less prominent, but it is remastering nevertheless. You can just bump up the resolution to 1080/4K, or you can go full George Lucas and add and cut whathever you want.

Remaking something is, by definition, reworking from scratch a movie, a song, a videogame... whathever you want... and giving it a new take. If you are doing a remake, you are doing it to do the same, but different. Remaking a game to end up with the same product but prettier is just an absurdly expensive process of remastering. Metroid Zero Mission is a remake. It's Metroid (NES), but it's also it's own unique thing. Final Fantasy VII Remake is a remake because it's an entirely new take on FF VII. It's FF VII, but it's also it's own new thing.

Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition is not a remake because it's the exact same thing as Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii). It just got updated visuals and some new features. JUST LIKE A REMASTER.

Now, you will say that Zero Mission or FF VII Remake are not remakes, but reboots. And that is incorrect. A remake is usually very similar to the original work while giving its own new flavour. A reboot (or a reimagining as you say) doesn't do that. A reboot just takes an IP or a movie or whathever... and makes a completely different work based on the idea.

The difference between remaster, remake and reboot relies on the amount of the original work that the final product retains. A remaster is 99% the same thing. A remake is essentially the same but different. And a reboot pretty much just keeps the name and some things here and there.

And since I already had this conversation a crap ton of times, I don't really want to keep this up. Xenoblade is a remaster. An insanely good remaster. But a remaster. I don't know why you are so adamant for it to be a remake... but it's not. It's not like remake > remaster. It's just different, not better or worse.



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SKMBlake said:
Vodacixi said:

You own video is showing how both games are essentially the same. But... whathever. I have discussed this topic too many times. Remaster VS Remake...

You said it's a port, when you see the video, you can clearly tell it's basically the same game entirely redrawn from the scratch. So not a port. Case closed.

It's a very impressive remaster. But a remaster nontheless. Case closed (?)



Metallox said:
aikohualda said:

the openness of the game... like heres the game... feel free to explore everywhere in the start of the game but you will get fuck.... 

Well, it's a coin toss. I think the original gane it's infinitely better than 2, so you should give it a chance. 

Also, the game releases next month but I don't have any money, wtf And with the corona crisis it'll be hard to get any job. But I really want that artbook. 

I work in healthcare... i can afford it but ive been working 80 hours a week... and i dont see it going down :(



 

IcaroRibeiro said:
SKMBlake said:

It's a remake

Vodacixi said:

I don't think it is. I see the exact same Wii game, scene by scene. The character movements, the shots, the lines, the gameplay... it's like a side by side copy. With better visuals, music and a revamped interface. It has not been remade. They just... worked over the original. Like painting a room with another color and puting some posters. The room hasn't been remade. Improved. But it's the same room.

It's an amazing remastering work. But not a remake.

Thanks both you guys for the input. I'll side with people saying it's a remake though, seems like a remake indeed

Should I wait this remake came out, finish it and just then play Xenoblade 2, or can I play Xenoblade 2 while wait Definitive Edition?

Outside of the "Promised Future" part, you should wait for the first XenoBlade.Though XC 2 can be played on it's own, they are connected and  DO share a same universe and story, that's linked by one specific moment in XC2.But that moment loses almost all impact if you didn't play the first game.

Regarding Promised Future, no one knows whats its story contect, and might as well hint at story points of XC 2.That's why I cant vouch for that Epilogue.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

IcaroRibeiro said:
SKMBlake said:

It's a remake

Vodacixi said:

I don't think it is. I see the exact same Wii game, scene by scene. The character movements, the shots, the lines, the gameplay... it's like a side by side copy. With better visuals, music and a revamped interface. It has not been remade. They just... worked over the original. Like painting a room with another color and puting some posters. The room hasn't been remade. Improved. But it's the same room.

It's an amazing remastering work. But not a remake.

Thanks both you guys for the input. I'll side with people saying it's a remake though, seems like a remake indeed

Should I wait this remake came out, finish it and just then play Xenoblade 2, or can I play Xenoblade 2 while wait Definitive Edition?

The games have indepent stories that are only linked through some meta-story. You may do as you want.

Although I have to say the first Xenoblade is just such an incredible game, I don't exactly know how it feels if you played the second first.

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Vodacixi said:
SKMBlake said:

Well it doesn't really matter whethere you think it is or not I suppose, cause it is really a remake.


And they actually remade everything: 

You own video is showing how both games are essentially the same. But... whathever. I have discussed this topic too many times. Remaster VS Remake...

Remaster is basically taking the old game and upping the resolution. Remake is taking the old game and re-creating it using a new engine and mostly new assets. Reboot is taking the old game and rethinking it from square one.

This game is a REMAKE.