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Trunkin said:

I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.

The key thing to remember is... These consoles are not out yet and by the time they do come out which should be Holiday 2020, PC should have a good answer...

Ryzen 4000 series CPUs are on the horizon. Big Navi GPUs are on the horizon. Nvidia's 3000 GPUs are on the horizon. Samsung's 980 series Nvme SSDs that are rated to run at 6.5GB/s as well as their competitors are on the horizon. Unless they all get delayed which isn't impossible due to the virus, they should all come out at the same time or before the next gen console twins arrive.

Consoles will still have the best value as they always have but there's plenty of things coming out that will shorten the gap.



             

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Captain_Yuri said:
Trunkin said:

I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.

The key thing to remember is... These consoles are not out yet and by the time they do come out which should be Holiday 2020, PC should have a good answer...

Ryzen 4000 series CPUs are on the horizon. Big Navi GPUs are on the horizon. Nvidia's 3000 GPUs are on the horizon. Samsung's 980 series Nvme SSDs that are rated to run at 6.5GB/s as well as their competitors are on the horizon. Unless they all get delayed which isn't impossible due to the virus, they should all come out at the same time or before the next gen console twins arrive.

Consoles will still have the best value as they always have but there's plenty of things coming out that will shorten the gap.

Yes, but can we really expect a improvement with the next generation of hardware? Last gen a mid-range PC would outclass consoles -- especially in the CPU department, but now Xbox and Playstation are the equivalent of very high-end PCs on basically every level. I shudder what this will mean for system requirements across the board. Most of the components in my current PC are 7+ years old. I've been planning an upgrade for a while, but now that I know an NVME SSD is a necessity I'm looking at a total of around $650 to upgrade most of my components -- that's with an RX 3600 CPU, which might not even meet the minimum requirements for next-gen games, and no GPU. Even if the new consoles launch at $600, PC parts would need something like a 50% drop in price to compete with that sort of value. I know mass-production counts for a lot, but I just don't see how Sony/M$ aren't gonna be taking losses on these systems. They really held nothing back, it's seriously impressive.

I love PC gaming, but judging from the way things are going I'm debating just giving up on it. I haven't even bought a processor yet, and I'm already looking at having to replace it within 2 years time. I'm not even thinking about upgrading my rx480 either because I can't afford it. The only thing that gives me a little bit of hope is that I'll be gaming at 1080-1440p while the consoles are pushing 4k.



Trunkin said:
Captain_Yuri said:

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Yes, but can we really expect a improvement with the next generation of hardware? Last gen a mid-range PC would outclass consoles -- especially in the CPU department, but now Xbox and Playstation are the equivalent of very high-end PCs on basically every level. I shudder what this will mean for system requirements across the board. Most of the components in my current PC are 7+ years old. I've been planning an upgrade for a while, but now that I know an NVME SSD is a necessity I'm looking at a total of around $650 to upgrade most of my components -- that's with an RX 3600 CPU, which might not even meet the minimum requirements for next-gen games, and no GPU. Even if the new consoles launch at $600, PC parts would need something like a 50% drop in price to compete with that sort of value. I know mass-production counts for a lot, but I just don't see how Sony/M$ aren't gonna be taking losses on these systems. They really held nothing back, it's seriously impressive.

I love PC gaming, but judging from the way things are going I'm debating just giving up on it. I haven't even bought a processor yet, and I'm already looking at having to replace it within 2 years time. I'm not even thinking about upgrading my rx480 either because I can't afford it. The only thing that gives me a little bit of hope is that I'll be gaming at 1080-1440p while the consoles are pushing 4k.

They aren't the equivalent of very high-end (basically enthusiast) PCs, though. Sure, the SSDs are top of the line, but the neither CPU (speed nor core count) nor GPU (cores/speed) are top of those classes and that can't be left out. What they are is efficiently built starter high-end machines, but the parts are custom, tailored made for the closed devices that they are. Because of that, they are not going to be as pricey as shelf PC parts. They held plenty back and the average consumer will benefit from it. These aren't devices running multiple 2080Ti's with 32GB+ of D4 RAM and 12-18 core procs. That would be a very high-end machine, before we even look at Ampere.

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 28 March 2020

                                                                                                             

CGI-Quality said:
Trunkin said:

Yes, but can we really expect a improvement with the next generation of hardware? Last gen a mid-range PC would outclass consoles -- especially in the CPU department, but now Xbox and Playstation are the equivalent of very high-end PCs on basically every level. I shudder what this will mean for system requirements across the board. Most of the components in my current PC are 7+ years old. I've been planning an upgrade for a while, but now that I know an NVME SSD is a necessity I'm looking at a total of around $650 to upgrade most of my components -- that's with an RX 3600 CPU, which might not even meet the minimum requirements for next-gen games, and no GPU. Even if the new consoles launch at $600, PC parts would need something like a 50% drop in price to compete with that sort of value. I know mass-production counts for a lot, but I just don't see how Sony/M$ aren't gonna be taking losses on these systems. They really held nothing back, it's seriously impressive.

I love PC gaming, but judging from the way things are going I'm debating just giving up on it. I haven't even bought a processor yet, and I'm already looking at having to replace it within 2 years time. I'm not even thinking about upgrading my rx480 either because I can't afford it. The only thing that gives me a little bit of hope is that I'll be gaming at 1080-1440p while the consoles are pushing 4k.

They aren't the equivalent of very high-end (basically enthusiast) PCs, though. Sure, the SSDs are top of the line, but the neither CPU (speed nor core count) nor GPU (cores/speed) are top of those classes and that can't be left out. What they are is efficiently built starter high-end machines, but the parts are custom, tailored made for the closed devices that they are. Because of that, they are not going to be as pricey as shelf PC parts. They held plenty back and the average consumer will benefit from it. These aren't devices running multiple 2080Ti's with 32GB+ of D4 RAM and 12-18 core procs. That would be a very high-end machine, before we even look at Ampere.

What you just described is what I'd think of as two very high-end machines duct-taped together, but I see what you're saying. I may have exaggerated with my my original statement, but I think my point still stands. These consoles are pushing significantly better performance-per-dollar than last-gen when compared to PC, no? The XBSX has something like a 2080 inside? And the CPU's are somewhere in the 3700(X?) range? I mean, that's some good hardware!



Trunkin said:
CGI-Quality said:

They aren't the equivalent of very high-end (basically enthusiast) PCs, though. Sure, the SSDs are top of the line, but the neither CPU (speed nor core count) nor GPU (cores/speed) are top of those classes and that can't be left out. What they are is efficiently built starter high-end machines, but the parts are custom, tailored made for the closed devices that they are. Because of that, they are not going to be as pricey as shelf PC parts. They held plenty back and the average consumer will benefit from it. These aren't devices running multiple 2080Ti's with 32GB+ of D4 RAM and 12-18 core procs. That would be a very high-end machine, before we even look at Ampere.

What you just described is what I'd think of as two very high-end machines duct-taped together, but I see what you're saying. I may have exaggerated with my my original statement, but I think my point still stands. These consoles are pushing significantly better performance-per-dollar than last-gen when compared to PC, no? The XBSX has something like a 2080 inside? And the CPU's are somewhere in the 3700(X?) range? I mean, that's some good hardware!

Eh, nah, the hardware isn't all that crazy. It's strong for a console, but you keep trying to equate these things with equivalent PC hardware. These consoles will push $499 at most. 



                                                                                                             

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Dunno who this is but he has a different take on it and a the ssd. Worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/PW-7Y7GbsiY



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Trunkin said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The key thing to remember is... These consoles are not out yet and by the time they do come out which should be Holiday 2020, PC should have a good answer...

Ryzen 4000 series CPUs are on the horizon. Big Navi GPUs are on the horizon. Nvidia's 3000 GPUs are on the horizon. Samsung's 980 series Nvme SSDs that are rated to run at 6.5GB/s as well as their competitors are on the horizon. Unless they all get delayed which isn't impossible due to the virus, they should all come out at the same time or before the next gen console twins arrive.

Consoles will still have the best value as they always have but there's plenty of things coming out that will shorten the gap.

Yes, but can we really expect a improvement with the next generation of hardware? Last gen a mid-range PC would outclass consoles -- especially in the CPU department, but now Xbox and Playstation are the equivalent of very high-end PCs on basically every level. I shudder what this will mean for system requirements across the board. Most of the components in my current PC are 7+ years old. I've been planning an upgrade for a while, but now that I know an NVME SSD is a necessity I'm looking at a total of around $650 to upgrade most of my components -- that's with an RX 3600 CPU, which might not even meet the minimum requirements for next-gen games, and no GPU. Even if the new consoles launch at $600, PC parts would need something like a 50% drop in price to compete with that sort of value. I know mass-production counts for a lot, but I just don't see how Sony/M$ aren't gonna be taking losses on these systems. They really held nothing back, it's seriously impressive.

I love PC gaming, but judging from the way things are going I'm debating just giving up on it. I haven't even bought a processor yet, and I'm already looking at having to replace it within 2 years time. I'm not even thinking about upgrading my rx480 either because I can't afford it. The only thing that gives me a little bit of hope is that I'll be gaming at 1080-1440p while the consoles are pushing 4k.

Well the main problem is that we won't know until they come out but I would say so. What may seem high end now might not be by the time the new consoles come out to an extent. The problem with the current generation gpus is other than the ultra high end like the 2080 Super/Ti, everything else from Nvidia is essentially 10 series with Ray Tracing when looking at performance numbers which are cards from 2016/2017. For example, 2080 performs very similarly to a 1080Ti while also being priced very similarly. While AMD of course is just playing catch up.

When you compare that to a couple generations before it, 970 performs similarly/beats 780Ti and 1070 performs similarly/beats 980 Ti. And neither the 970 or the 1070 really broke the bank. 970 MSRP: $329, 1070 MSRP: 379... Until 2000 series... 2070 MSRP: $499. Reasons why I skipped this shitastic generation of Nvidia cards...

So the question becomes, is the 3000 series going to be like the 2000 series or the 900/1000 series? Obviously we won't know until it releases. But I want to say that the 3000 series isn't going to be like another 2000 series because it is supposed to be Nvidia's big jump from 12nm to 7nm which AMD has made with Navi. Not to mention, a similar GPU to the XSX is going to come to PC from AMD as well so there's that competition as well. To me, 2000 series felt more like a "We are so ahead, let's just make money cause 7nm ain't ready yet" than anything else. And you obviously have AMD, Intel and the rest doing their own thing. The console twins are based on Zen 2 where as Ryzen 4000 is based on Zen 3 for example.

All of this at the end of the day is speculation until they all hit the shelves but I wouldn't count out PC until all these things launch. I do agree however that the consoles are fap worthy this time around.

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Fei-Hung said:
Dunno who this is but he has a different take on it and a the ssd. Worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/PW-7Y7GbsiY

This guy has been around for quite a while.

Usually half-truths mixed with strawman arguments and weird conclusions (not my view, the view of people who actually program stuff).

Not worth a watch.



Captain_Yuri said:
Trunkin said:

I'm just sitting here wondering how the hell Sony and M$ are selling consoles with those specs for anything under $1000. I'm in need of a PC upgrade, and I've already given up on achieving parity with the XSeX because it throws the whole thing out of my price range. Let alone the GPUs and NVME drives.

The key thing to remember is... These consoles are not out yet and by the time they do come out which should be Holiday 2020, PC should have a good answer...

Ryzen 4000 series CPUs are on the horizon. Big Navi GPUs are on the horizon. Nvidia's 3000 GPUs are on the horizon. Samsung's 980 series Nvme SSDs that are rated to run at 6.5GB/s as well as their competitors are on the horizon. Unless they all get delayed which isn't impossible due to the virus, they should all come out at the same time or before the next gen console twins arrive.

Consoles will still have the best value as they always have but there's plenty of things coming out that will shorten the gap.

Just look at what Ryzen did in terms of pushing CPU performance while also reducing price. That's not to say RDNA will do it in the same manner, but it's looking to potentially create the same level of disruption in the GPU market.

Based on the PS5 and XBSX GPU portion of the APU, it's intriguing to imagine what AMD can probably do with that tech on a dedicated GPU and how reasonably priced they should be able to do it for, if they so choose. Nvidia has needed a spanking badly for years now, almost as badly as Intel needed and got, and it looks like AMD just might be able to deliver that again. 

drkohler said:
Fei-Hung said:
Dunno who this is but he has a different take on it and a the ssd. Worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/PW-7Y7GbsiY

This guy has been around for quite a while.

Usually half-truths mixed with strawman arguments and weird conclusions (not my view, the view of people who actually program stuff).

Not worth a watch.

Then you've got XB guys like Sams here ending his video by trying to compare PS5's "9.2" (TF) to (XBSX) "12" (TF). This made me howl.

The video started out fairly decent, but he just couldn't let it go and had to squeeze it in at the end.

You know the jig is up when 12.1TF over 10.3TF isn't enough for some unimaginable reason, that you have to use an old leak that doesn't entirely match up with the official announcement, to 'prove' the official PS announcement is BS. I wonder how true the XB official announcements have been then? Hmm? lol



I just want Sony to hurry up and let everyone know which NVMe SSDs is compatible with PS5.