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CGI-Quality said:
padib said:

Monkeys are animals, and humans can be like monkeys sometimes, that is very true.

CGI, do you know what the specs are of the SSD in the XsX?

I've got my gloves on, say what your point is because I've already given all of mine.

From the techradar article, again: https://www.techradar.com/news/ps5-vs-xbox-series-x

"[PS5] will be able to run content (if not games) at an 8K resolution, and it will also support 120Hz refresh rates at 4K. The Xbox Series X will match the PS5 by offering DirectX ray-tracing capabilities, and it’ll have a super-fast internal NVMe SSD (which can be expanded with a propriety NVMe card), and can be utilised as virtual RAM to lift load times by up to 40x. "

What is it that I have said that you disagree with?

You can keep your gloves on, because to be perfectly honest, this isn't a field you want to argue with me in the way that you are, Padib. 

Now, what you posted is general, not specific. Why should anyone listen to you when those who understand the meat of this stuff say otherwise? You're riding the same ride at the carnival over and over again hoping it will change along the way. Newsflash: it won't. My point? You're wrong, as, again, per the individuals who know how this stuff works.

A better question is why are you so hellbent on there being "no considerable difference"?

I asked you a question about the topic, why are you deflecting? You clearly haven't read my posts since I've already explained my point of view, very clearly, with sources to back my point.

I don't want to waste my time repeating myself. If we're going to debate, at least read what I wrote already, please.

And for the record, no your intimidation tactics will not work on me.

1) you don't intimidate me.

2) I'm pretty dead sure I've already beaten my point to death so far in the thread if you actually read my posts.



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padib said:
CGI-Quality said:

~snip

I asked you a question about the topic, why are you deflecting. You clearly haven't read my posts since I've already explained my point of view, very clearly, with sources to back my point.

I don't want to waste my time repeating myself. If we're going to debate, at least read what I wrote already, please.

I read what you wrote, Padib. Don't try that dismal BS with me. 

I asked you a question. Either answer it or don't bother quoting people in the condescending ways that you have. Multiple times. In a nutshell, what the hell is this myth you speak of? Why is it a myth? Based on what fact(s)? What makes the system's SSDs level? Why are the pros wrong? How are you right? From you, not some source from someone else. Why should we listen to you over the professionals (excluding Cerny, Spencer, or any other suit)?

Don't avoid it again and get down to the meat of that. 

Edit: Just seeing your edits. Padib, if I wanted to intimidate you, I would have done something much bigger. Don't flatter yourself. Either answer the question or don't quote me again. It's very simple — compare/contrast the facts. Why is one not better than the other (remember, we're talking SSDs here). I thought you'd actually prepare something, but instead, have continued to avoid providing what was asked. Fair enough if you don't know this like you're portraying, but then say that and be done with it (or say nothing and let people feel how they want).

You want my feedback? It is simple. The PS5's solid state drive is like no other on the market. In addition to the 5.5Gb/s, it's efficiency and streamlining also works differently than that of the XSX's.  It's not hard to believe that there will be a difference and this feature will help the PS5 pick up some of the slack in other areas.

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CGI-Quality said:
padib said:

I asked you a question about the topic, why are you deflecting. You clearly haven't read my posts since I've already explained my point of view, very clearly, with sources to back my point.

I don't want to waste my time repeating myself. If we're going to debate, at least read what I wrote already, please.

read what you wrote, Padib. Don't try that dismal BS with me. 

I asked you a question. Either answer it or don't bother quoting people in the condescending ways that you have. Multiple times. In a nutshell, what the hell is this myth you speak of? Why is it a myth? Based on what fact(s)? What makes the system's SSDs level? Why are the pros wrong? How are you right? From you, not some source from someone else. Why should we listen to you over the professionals (excluding Cerny, Spencer, or any other suit)?

Don't avoid it again and get down to the meat of that. 

Edit: Just seeing your edits. Padib, if I wanted to intimidate you, I would have done something much bigger. Don't flatter yourself. Either answer the question or don't quote me again. It's very simple — compare/contrast the facts. Why is one not better than the other (remember, we're talking SSDs here). I thought you'd actually prepare something, but instead, have continued to avoid providing what was asked. Fair enough if you don't know this like you're portraying, but then say that and be done with it (or say nothing and let people feel how they want).

You want my feedback? It is simple. The PS5's solid state drive is like no other on the market. In addition to the 5.5Gb/s, it's efficiency and streamlining also works differently than that of the XSX's.  It's not hard to believe that there will be a difference and this feature will help the PS5 pick up some of the slack in other areas.

I don't understand you. You've read what I wrote, yet I've already had to quote an article I've already posted, and you've asked me a question I've already answered about why I disagree with the idea that the SSD in the PS5 makes any difference. You've also deflected a question, yelled at me with a GIF?, made some ad-hominems about me ("hit and run"), you quoted me, then ask me not to quote you. Why are you writing to me exactly?

Believe what you want man, fine the SSD is a big deal. Is that what I'm supposed to say here?



padib said:
CGI-Quality said:

read what you wrote, Padib. Don't try that dismal BS with me. 

I asked you a question. Either answer it or don't bother quoting people in the condescending ways that you have. Multiple times. In a nutshell, what the hell is this myth you speak of? Why is it a myth? Based on what fact(s)? What makes the system's SSDs level? Why are the pros wrong? How are you right? From you, not some source from someone else. Why should we listen to you over the professionals (excluding Cerny, Spencer, or any other suit)?

Don't avoid it again and get down to the meat of that. 

Edit: Just seeing your edits. Padib, if I wanted to intimidate you, I would have done something much bigger. Don't flatter yourself. Either answer the question or don't quote me again. It's very simple — compare/contrast the facts. Why is one not better than the other (remember, we're talking SSDs here). I thought you'd actually prepare something, but instead, have continued to avoid providing what was asked. Fair enough if you don't know this like you're portraying, but then say that and be done with it (or say nothing and let people feel how they want).

You want my feedback? It is simple. The PS5's solid state drive is like no other on the market. In addition to the 5.5Gb/s, it's efficiency and streamlining also works differently than that of the XSX's.  It's not hard to believe that there will be a difference and this feature will help the PS5 pick up some of the slack in other areas.

I don't understand you. You've read what I wrote, yet I've already had to quote an article I've already posted, and you've asked me a question I've already answered about why I disagree with the idea that the SSD in the PS5 makes any difference. You've also deflected a question, yelled at me with a GIF?, made some ad-hominems about me ("hit and run"), you quoted me, then ask me not to quote you. Why are you writing to me exactly?

Um, did you even read what you just quoted?



                                                                                                             

CGI-Quality said:
padib said:

I don't understand you. You've read what I wrote, yet I've already had to quote an article I've already posted, and you've asked me a question I've already answered about why I disagree with the idea that the SSD in the PS5 makes any difference. You've also deflected a question, yelled at me with a GIF?, made some ad-hominems about me ("hit and run"), you quoted me, then ask me not to quote you. Why are you writing to me exactly?

Um, did you even read what you just quoted?

I read your post, then pressed quote after your edit. Is that a problem?

I've already answered that the gain can only go so far for it to show a real benefit. It's also what the techradar article said. Let's not pretend they are not professionals.



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padib said:
CGI-Quality said:

Um, did you even read what you just quoted?

I read your post, then pressed quote after your edit. Is that a problem?

Well.....yes, Padib. I elaborated where you have dodged. But, at this point, it's fine. You're free to think what you want, I'll just continue to do what I do and listen to those who do what I do.

That said, should things change and the two devices (regarding this feature) show no real world differences, I'll personally return and apologize to you. 

In the meantime, be sure to check this place out. Puts a lot of things in perspective. And the problem with the 'gains' talk is it only considers one scenario. The PS5's SSD, in particular, was built for all sorts of scenarios (which is actually the bread and butter of an SSD in the first place). 

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CGI-Quality said:
padib said:

I read your post, then pressed quote after your edit. Is that a problem?

Well.....yes, Padib. I elaborated where you have dodged. But, at this point, it's fine. You're free to think what you want, I'll just continue to do what I do and listen to those who do what I do.

That said, should things change and the two devices (regarding this feature) show no real world differences, I'll personally return and apologize to you. 

In the meantime, be sure to check this place out. Puts a lot of things in perspective. And the problem with the 'gains' talk is it only considers one scenario. The PS5's SSD, in particular, was built for all sorts of scenarios (which is actually the bread and butter of an SSD in the first place). 

Thanks.

Listen, the PS5's SSD is top of the line, it's clear. In the end, my point is that SSDs have been a very old advancement in the world of gaming, and the PS5's inclusion of one is not revolutionary in the sense that PCs have had it for years, showing great increase in the quality of the gaming experience.

The XsX will also have a top of the line SSD, and the comparable gain there is debatable. What is truly more likely to play a factor in the overall performance of the console spec-wise is the cooling design and the high specs of the XsX GPU and CPUs.

I personally, and I say personally, am not impressed with the inclusion of SSDs, as I have been using SSD technology for many years now, even when playing PC games. I am also not very happy at the PR that is travelling the internet saying that comparing the teraflops is a bad metric and that the SSD is a revolution. I am concerned by it (truly) and I hope people are not being misled by it.

The team at Microsoft did a wicked job at pushing the specs, and, in my opinion, the upgrade that Sony did with the SSD is mostly in the io pipeline, since Cerny's video tells us that off the shelf SSDs will be pluggable into the PS5.

So even if it is top of the line, from an engineering point of view, I don't see the SSD upgrade as something to make a big case about.

I can for sure improve my tone, but needless to say I was a bit annoyed about the fuss people are making about the upgrade, since consoles are very late behind PCs on this spec. Devs say it is a game-changer, but that is in contrast to past consoles. In contrast with PCs, it's not really.

That's my point of view.

I'll definitely check your link.



padib said:
CGI-Quality said:

~ snip

Thanks.

Listen, the PS5's SSD is top of the line, it's clear. In the end, my point is that SSDs have been a very old advancement in the world of gaming, and the PS5's inclusion of one is not revolutionary in the sense that PCs have had it for years, showing great increase in the quality of the gaming experience.

The XsX will also have a top of the line SSD, and the comparable gain there is debatable. What is truly more likely to play a factor in the overall performance of the console spec-wise is the cooling design and the high specs of the XsX GPU and CPUs.

I personally, and I say personally, am not impressed with the inclusion of SSDs, as I have been using SSD technology for many years now, even when playing PC games. I am also not very happy at the PR that is travelling the internet saying that comparing the teraflops is a bad metric and that the SSD is a revolution. I am concerned by it (truly) and I hope people are not being misled by it.

The team at Microsoft did a wicked job at pushing the specs, and, in my opinion, the upgrade that Sony did with the SSD is mostly in the io pipeline, since Cerny's video tells us that off the shelf SSDs will be pluggable into the PS5.

So even if it is top of the line, from an engineering point of view, I don't see the SSD upgrade as something to make a big case about.

I can for sure improve my tone, but needless to say I was a bit annoyed about the fuss people are making about the upgrade, since consoles are very late behind PCs on this spec. Devs say it is a game-changer, but that is in contrast to past consoles. In contrast with PCs, it's not really.

That's my point of view.

I'll definitely check your link.

Pemalite said it best ~ we have to wait for the games to release for the real talking to begin. Just remember that that SSD is not like any we've seen and that is why it's getting that sort of buzz. It isn't simply to hand Sony some brownie points (at least, it shouldn't be). They really did their homework (despite being out brute forced by Microsoft). 

From an engineering pov, both of these machines are top of their class (one was always going to be more powerful). An SSD (just to keep to the point of the thread) is a big deal in and of itself, but these consoles' SSDs are on another level, and just based on the way people dissected it, the PS5's promises to be the victor on that end. 

But yeah, the best plan of action (for all of us) is to let time take its course. By this time next year, we'll have a much better idea!



                                                                                                             

padib said:
the-pi-guy said:

You're pretty much the only one in here making console war comments.  

This is a thread about a benefit that both the XSX, PS5 have.  

He's kind of right. When this kind of idea comes out, it begs the question "why"? Why is the SSD a big deal, especially when it really isn't.

I'm going to leave it like that, because I really don't want this to be a console wars thing. But I have to say, it does beg the question.

Why did Cerny make a whole video explaining the SSD? Is it possible that, perhaps, Sony needs to do some PR to make sure people feel like the PS5 has some kind of edge when it really doesn't?

I mean, we are in a sales forum, so the question is perfectly valid.

A video that was ready before MS had done any reveal, that was meant for developers, so nope it wasn't PR. But run with it if you want.

And from your last post to CGI them you agree that using SSD as standard will revolution gaming design or you will keep denying that "because PC had SSD for a decade"?

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