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Mr Puggsly on 16 March 2020
CGI-Quality said:
Radek said:

Maybe it's 10 GB for games and 6 GB for system? Sounds overkill for system RAM but who knows?

No such thing, particularly in a console. The more, the better.

Given the X1 used 3GB for a fairly robust interface, I don't think Series X needs 6GB.

X1 interface was likely slugging because limited CPU power. Perhaps faster storage of Series X will also help. Hence, more RAM doesn't solve the problems of bottleneck elsewhere.

My guess is they will use 4GB on the system. But I guess 10GB of RAM would be fine for given texture streaming will be utilized.



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JRPGfan on 16 March 2020
Radek said:
DonFerrari said:

Well 10GB is of the fastest available, so I don't think it will be much problem.

Maybe it's 10 GB for games and 6 GB for system? Sounds overkill for system RAM but who knows?

The digital foundry video explains how much memory is for what.

6x 2gb = 12 gb for "gameing"

1x 4gb = OS ect.

= total 16 GB.

However, dev's can borrow, some of the slower ram (~1,5 GB) if needed.

So that "max" possible ram the Xbox Series X can use (for games) is 13,5 GB.
The "optimal" (max speed) is 12 GB.



JRPGfan on 16 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
Radek said:

Maybe it's 10 GB for games and 6 GB for system? Sounds overkill for system RAM but who knows?

10 *12 GB is optimized for GPU, and the rest is moreso for CPU usage.  

So I'd guess 13 GB for games, 3 GB for OS.  

Where are you guys getting the 10 GB number from? your not the first person here to mention it.
I think you guys might have missed the part where they explained about the memory split.

*edit:

okay I found the issue.
People are looking at the picture the OP linked, that mentions 10 GB at such speed, and 6 GB at another speed.

However if people watched the Digital foundry video, you would know the actual memory alocation is :

6 chips x 2 GB = 12 GB at 560GB/s speeds (for gameing)

4 chip x 1 GB =  4 GB for otherstuff.

Its at 5 minuets 48 secounds into the video.  <-----

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JRPGfan on 16 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
JRPGfan said:

Where are you guys getting the 10 GB number from? your not the first person here to mention it.
I think you guys might have missed the part where they explained about the memory split.

In the chart at the end of the OP. 

10 GB @ 560 GB/s

6 GB @ 336 GB/s

Plus MS's statement to Digital Foundry:

"Memory performance is asymmetrical - it's not something we could have done with the PC," explains Andrew Goossen "10 gigabytes of physical memory [runs at] 560GB/s. We call this GPU optimal memory. Six gigabytes [runs at] 336GB/s. We call this standard memory. GPU optimal and standard offer identical performance for CPU audio and file IO. The only hardware component that sees a difference in the GPU."

Then the Chart the OP posted, contains wrong INFO.

I choose to believe Digital Foundry, and the picture of the memory setup they show in their video.
instead of that chart.

DF is saying something differnt from what this chart says (in their video atleast).



DonFerrari on 16 March 2020
JEMC said:
DonFerrari said:

Well 10GB is of the fastest available, so I don't think it will be much problem.

It's fast, there's no doubt of that, but sometimes quantity also matter.

Sure thing, that is why it can also use another 3GB of the little slower one, probably to less demanding content that needs to stay but can take longer to call.



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DonFerrari on 16 March 2020
CGI-Quality said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Given the X1 used 3GB for a fairly robust interface, I don't think Series X needs 6GB.

X1 interface was likely slugging because limited CPU power. Perhaps faster storage of Series X will also help. Hence, more RAM doesn't solve the problems of bottleneck elsewhere.

My guess is they will use 4GB on the system. But I guess 10GB of RAM would be fine for given texture streaming will be utilized.

I actually found the X1/X1X's interface to be rather slow, especially when compared with a good PC or the PS4 (though Microsoft has done a fantastic job fixing things, like faster pop-ups and less intrusive ads).

Regardless, you can't ever have too much System RAM. Ever. The interface eats more from the Random Access Memory. The more of it you have, the more data it can work with (move things around, store files, open programs, etc...). Yes, a faster proc will aid in this, but there's only so much it can do when other things don't work with it (the PS3 is a prime example of this, having a slam dunk proc with slower [and less accessible] RAM for system tasks). That is why, prior to the PS4, PSN was a sluggish mess when it came to Downloads and anything involving the Friend List.

So, the more the RAM the Series X (or PS5) have, the better the machine should function (assuming other factors don't bog down the device). 

For me PSN is still a slugg on PS4 and PS4Pro, it takes to long to load anything on any area of the store.

My phone loads 10x faster.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JRPGfan on 16 March 2020
the-pi-guy said:
JRPGfan said:

Then the Chart the OP posted, contains wrong INFO.

I choose to believe Digital Foundry, and the picture of the memory setup they show in their video.
instead of that chart.

DF is saying something differnt from what this chart says.

It says the exact same thing....

I have no idea how you are interpreting anything... Because both things are reported by Digital Foundry and say the same thing...

You are just reading one of them wrong.  

I blame the DF video.... doesnt make it apparrent that what they showed at first, was their "assumption".

Its odd that its actually a 10 for gameing, 6 for OS split I guess.
But if their saying that, then it must be true.

Yep I read it wrong.



DonFerrari on 16 March 2020
CGI-Quality said:
DonFerrari said:

For me PSN is still a slugg on PS4 and PS4Pro, it takes to long to load anything on any area of the store.

My phone loads 10x faster.

The Store is slow, yes, but not the overall interface. 

I do agree, the interface for everything else is quite smooth ("TV" takes some 10s to load but that doesn't bother me, still it is funny that my TV and phone loads crunchyroll faster than PS4).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

SvennoJ on 16 March 2020
twintail said:

DonFerrari said:
The throughput of the SSD 2.4 while quite fast is slower than some already "old" SSD on the market, so either Sony solution is quite faster or Mark Cerny was at least very misleading on the "superior to any current SSD solution in the market".

Cerny talked about their SSD solution nearly whole year ago, and his words were about what was available in the market place back then. 

I still think we see a good SSD solution on the PS5 but it may be comparable to what PCs can take by time of release

It's still at least 20x faster than the best case scenario with HDD currently. But it's not magic and not all games will load 20 times faster. There's much more to preparing the next level/scene/whatever than streaming in the data. However waiting for over a minute for a game to start will hopefully be over with.



barneystinson69 on 16 March 2020

Super sexy specs.

Also no way this costs less than 600 USD (700-800 CAD).



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