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padib said:

Recent events have and are happening which are changing the way we see the world. In the past, it was easy for us to leave our destiny into the hands of our leaders, or take a lazy approach to social concerns.  Today, we understood that we can shape our destiny. The corona virus has shown us how, when people realize that they can take matters into their own hands, they are most effective. When our governments were slow to respond to the spread, many of us were already beginning a self-imposed quarantine, and some were stocking up supplies. Because our lives were in dangers, we started seeking reliable sources of information in order to make the best decisions, rather than relying on the information we hear from media machines which drive their revenue from fear and misinformation. The recent events have helped empower us as individuals in fights against a threat by taking simple measures of protection, as a herd. Simple measures like greater hygiene (cleaning hands, watching where our hands go, care when sneezing), temporarily reducing contact with others, and general responsible behavior when known to be infected go a long ways to hinder the spread. Our increased communication amongst ourselves (also thanks to technology) helped us to gain clarity.

While today our species is threatened by a virus, a more long-term threat looms in front of us: the destruction of our planet by our own hands. While the corona virus woke us from our sleep, and alarmed us to take action and protect our lives, our ability as a body to fight threats to our existence has also awoken. Every day we go to the market, we purchase goods wrapped in non bio-degradable material. As we raise more and more forests to exploit our lands or populate them, our ecosystems are dying. The oceans have birthed islands of trash, and highly populous cities are covered in smog.

There are threats to our existence, and our ability to awaken as a species, as a single whole to fight against the threats is the only hope we have to survive. I offer two attitudes to the world:

Our usual disposition Our sense of empowerment
Relegating our destinies to the powers above us. Taking our destinies into our own hands
Listening to the misinformation and confusion of the media. Seeking reliable sources of information, less sensational, more scientific.
Being irresponsible in our words and actions. Being responsible, approaching life in a socially-aware manner.
Acting in a self-centered way. Acting as part of a society of people.
Live in our bubbles. Create awareness.

While I generally agree with your sentiment and believe in us people as the main driver to safe us from ourselves, I think we're still far away from the empowerment on the right side of the table, especially the second phrase: Seeking reliable sources of information, less sensational, more scientific.

People tend to go with wichever information suits their believes. Scientifical facts still don't matter as much as they should. We're still hordes of sheep in general.



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As a sheep, I agrre with the post above.

Edit: specifically this part

GoOnKid said:

People tend to go with wichever information suits their believes. Scientifical facts still don't matter as much as they should. We're still hordes of sheep in general.

 



Not sure if we're seeing the same things here. All I see is regular selfish, crazy and stupid people doing selfish, crazy and stupid things. With or without their governments. This situation will literally change absolutely nothing about humans. If anything it'll affect the governments.

Once this thing is over people will just go back and do harm somewhere else.



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padib said:

Our usual disposition Our sense of empowerment
Relegating our destinies to the powers above us. Taking our destinies into our own hands
Listening to the misinformation and confusion of the media. Seeking reliable sources of information, less sensational, more scientific.
Being irresponsible in our words and actions. Being responsible, approaching life in a socially-aware manner.
Acting in a self-centered way. Acting as part of a society of people.
Live in our bubbles. Create awareness.

Here’s the thing

Taking destinies in own hands: Many people aren’t smart enough, forward thinking enough, or don’t think long term enough. Many act in self destructive tendencies. Government regulation is far better and easier.

Seeking reliable sources of info: That’s what the internet is for. Plenty independent news sites and channels. I stopped watching cable news years ago. That said there’s plenty news sites that push a specific narrative instead of being objective, and that needs to stop. 

Socially aware manner: This has nothing to do with the environment. Policing your speech because people are easily offended is imo...left wing fascism. Say what you want, but be respectful and courteous to others at the same time. If you offend, say sorry. If you are offended...it’s not the end of the world. 

Act as a society of people: the internet has all ready bridged the gap of people’s. That said globalism is kinda the reason Corona spread as fast as it did and will continue to spread. It’s a double edge sword. And I take somewhat offence in the sense that you think personal roots dont matter. I’m Italian by heritage, and I’m proud of it. I’m not about to forget my roots because “I’m a citizen of the world”. 

Create Awareness: Thats what the internet is for. Post and comment where your passions are to have yourself heard...which people have been doing for decades. 

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Social media needs to adapt in something that is really benefitting social behaviour, for us to start being a functional globalized species but the companies behind them are about profit and information gathering and feeding to achieve that, so it would be unfruitfull for them to adapt.

Be a good consumer and buy and think what they influence you to buy and think,intelligence is not that important.

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Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:

Not sure if we're seeing the same things here. All I see is regular selfish, crazy and stupid people doing selfish, crazy and stupid things. With or without their governments. This situation will literally change absolutely nothing about humans. If anything it'll affect the governments.

Once this thing is over people will just go back and do harm somewhere else.

This. People are panicking because of media information, becoming super selfish and hoarding everything. Pretty much the opposite of what the OP is saying. There's nothing at all "responsible" or "socially aware" about people fighting over toilet roll. It's just plain old selfish every man for themselves behaviour.

I agree,at my sister her work people die every year because of a lack of covernment funding and they die for a simple cold.(institute for heavingly mentally and physically handicapped)

It did not target the economal growth and capitalism of our current government so they just did not get support to prevent deaths and were adviced to find ways to get the money themselves.

And now that those that did not care about the weak can get slightly effected themselves,now it is important.



Please watch the Matrix trilogy, and pay close attention to Agent Smith's dialogue.

And...play some Death Stranding, as it's set near 2030, around 10 years or so in the future.

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Nope. That virus needs to kill like a billion ppl before any relevant change holds.

Have any idea how many millions of people die from hunger each year? And there is a cure for that. But that doesn't get anywhere near the kinda attention this virus is getting. Why? cause hunger doesn't kill the rich.



Just look at how people treat food in general on a worldwide basis, not to mention in comparison to others ability to have enough right now with a scare. Look at how people treat internet connectivity, speeds and reliability, worldwide, let alone lack of connectivity altogether. This world is based on the strong thriving and the weak struggling. That's how it's always been and it's a long way from changing.

Doesn't matter how coordinated the world becomes, as soon as something goes sideways, it's automatically every man for themselves. The easier and more free life becomes, the worse any future panic and hoarding will get.

The only way to 'fix' potential societal chaos in the foreseeable future, is through Gov force. That rarely ever works out well in general, and especially when people are scared for their lives and panicking.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 15 March 2020