It all depends what you call better 1st party support. Because probably you would like to have something like gamepass and day one, that certainly would have a big impact on PS4 revenue.

And if you think Sony is afraid of it and that they do have more data than us and is better at analyzing the market (they have won 3 of 4 gens after all) then you shouldn't be asking if I think it would hurt. Sony wouldn't do it for the lols, so I believe they are doing the best decision for their business.

If the person have a PS4 and use the service to download those games then Sony would be losing sales of the games. And for the reason they put some games, may be similar to why HZD will launch on PC to test and validate their hypothesis, see how much it would impact sales of those games and also how it affects the subscription.

Just look at PS+ they had made a service that offered a lot of value for the yearly sub, but had like 2M subs when multiplayer wasn't there but great games were given away. When they changed to MP locked but not many good games gave away they are now about 40M subs. Seems like they validate that the best way to nick and dime users were locking MP instead of offering better games. They may be doing this type of test on PSNow.

Sure it wouldn't nose dive. Still why would Sony decide for a setup that would give less profit? But yes even though I have no access to PSNow in Brazil and I prefer to own, yes it would be good for the service and should get more subs (we don't have numbers to estimate the impact in profit, but Sony seems to consider it would be negative) if they had more first party content.

My ideal is Sony would copy Gamepass, but that's unlikely nor what this thread is about. I clarified the service should at least have most 1st party content that's several years old. I feel Uncharted 4 and Infamous:SS are reasonable requests, and so should God of War in the near future.

If not giving PS Now fairly recent content was best, it shouldn't have Horizon:ZD or Uncharted:LL. You see Sony as an infallible company due to their success, I don't.

Horizon is coming to PC now because the console version's sales have mostly dried up and perhaps they want to hype the sequel. Sony has already allowed a bunch of games on PC and they have data from that. This is just a rare exception where it will be a true 1st party game coming to PC.

We all knew (or should have known) that PS+ was a stepping stone to copying Xbox Live. Sony knew there was money to be made charging for MP because MS proved it. Although, I do credit Sony for making free games part of the service.

Adding more 1st party content to PS Now could actually increase revenue. We have to assume games like Horizon and Uncharted:LL came to PS Now to boost subscriptions.

Again, I just pointed out Gravity Rush 2 is on PS Now, but exclusive to PS4 users. That means I can't access it on the PC. Frankly, that's bullshit. But maybe Sony should do more of that if they're truly concerned what PC users can access. Let PS4 users have access to more exclusives and tell PC users to suck a dick.

Nope not that I see Sony as infallible, what I see is that on the lack of better information then our best is what we have. So if Sony analysis is that the current action is the best approach for them and we don't have data that contradicts that I will consider that what Sony is doing is probably the best option for them. Mainly because companies act to maximize profit so all their actions shall be assumed with that intention.

The data that Sony have for games released on PC is fairly small and obsolete, same as if they were to base the sales potential for 1st party based for what they had until PS3, that changed a lot.

No one had data of how much having free games would entice customers to sub to a service, be it standalone or as part of another. That experiment shown that gamers didn't had much value for it. PSNow is similar stuff, less than 2M for the streaming of how you put 450 PS4 games and 350 PS3 games for 60 a year, that isn't bad. Gamepass with day one and major promotions didn't really cross 10M permanent users.

Sure more 1st party could increase revenue, but I was pointing profits (which could also improve), but it could also decrease revenue and profit from the PS4 and SW sales themselves and that could be for a bigger portion than the gains. We don't have numbers for that, so again I assume Sony decided to what make more money to them.

Yes you pointed to GR2 and I doubt Sony ever clarified why and may even have some licensing issue, but yes I don't think makes sense to restrict it.

Their first party titles are successful, and the library is pretty strong as is. As an avid PS user, I’m okay with having to buy new games, simply because that is what will guarantee the quality holds up in future titles. Sounds corporate slave-ish, but it’s the truth. Developers will not be as enticed to put forth effort if they know the game will just be cast into a giant clusterfuck where their product is mostly ignored unless it’s a huge name. Just how this shot goes.

Personally, I enjoy PS Now BECAUSE it’s mostly older games. It gives me a chance to play games from the past that I wasn’t able to enjoy before, while I wait for new AAA releases. I think it’s a great service, and Sony is doing a great job handling it.

Okay, you'll defend whatever Sony does because they're doing well and should have the best data. But lets remember I'm ultimately just saying I'd like more old 1st party PS4 Sony games used to bolster PS Now. At the moment there is no evidence that would hurt PS4 sales, to contrary it could likely boost PS Now subscriptions and many users have a PS4.

Gamepass in theory could actually fund AAA games with millions of subscribers. It could encourage MS to produce more notable content. But for some reason people see it as something that only steals money, its not really logical especially when many still buy games.

I highly doubt a licensing issue keeps Gravity Rush 2 from PS Now on PC. It's the only exception I could find and coincidentally its a 1st party game.

Edit: I just noticed Horizon is leaving PS Now April 7th. Sony wants to boost subscriptions but its a shitty service to play Sony's PS4 games.

Again, I am not suggesting PS Now needs to be Gamepass. I don't get the impression you read the OP.

Also, you ignore games that launch on subscription services can get more attention/players. MS tends to announce user numbers because of that very fact. So your theory games get ignored in subscription services is not reality. There are also indie games that get more attention from subscription services, not just AAA releases.

Content on Gamepass needs to be notable to keep people on the service. Content isn't just produced for Gamepass either. The content is sold outside of Gamepass and notable content is needed to hype the console.

The same applies to Netflix, HBO Go and other subscription services like that. They need to produce notable content to keep people. They don't thrive from a quantity of content, it needs to be good or atleast have an audience.

For $60 a year, I think PS Now is a good service for older games. In fact, I am saying it needs more old 1st party games from PS4.

Essentially everything you said is irrelevant because you seemingly didn't read my OP. Also, your assumptions seem inaccurate thus far.

So if a few more first party titles were on it, it would be awesome....Yes, I'm drinking gasoline, MOTHER.

"Also, I was curious I couldn't find GTAV"....It's still topping physical sales charts, as it pushes ever further past the 100 million sales point. How curious are you? A "very special episode of Blossom" curious?

A few more? There is a long list they could add to PLAYSTATION Now. I'm not just talking about content from the last couple years either, there is many games they could add that's 3+ years old.

In regard to GTAV, you've missed the point genius. It came and went surprisingly fast. Horizon Zero Dawn will also be removed next month even though that's a 1st party game.

Gamepass has a great selection of MS games. EA Access has a great selection of EA games. Disney+ has an impressive and growing selection of Disney content.

PS Now though... you like 1st party PS3 games? Great. You like Horizon:ZD? Good, but don't get attached because its leaving.

Yeah I know, I am asking for too much. Ya know... thinking PLAYSTATION Now should offer a good selection of old 1st party PS4 content, the content that makes PS4 unique, that's a crazy request. Sony may not even have access to that stuff.

Still, I am blown away how little their 1st party games are on it (PS4). I mean GOW, Spider-Man, GT Sport, and others aren’t on Game Pass....but they aren’t on PS Now either. 

I get it. Sony is very traditional and is being extremely cautious that their service doesn’t impact full game purchases. But surely you must admit that they are perhaps being a little too careful? I mean any game that’s 3 years old won’t hurt the brand if it comes on the service.

And is pugsly right that HZD isn’t permanent and is leaving? It’s 1st party....everything is bizarro over here lol. Guess I’m spoiled. 

I am not sure what you mean by PS Now having, "reach." Do you mean audience? It's available to most PS4 users in regard to regions. US, Western Europe, Japan and probably others.

When you see news that a game is being added or Sony advertises a game on it, you don't necessarily see the length it will be there. Furthermore, there is an expectation 3rd party content comes and goes. But 1st party content leaving? That's pretty lame.

I think the idea of creating a cloud streaming service is non-traditional and its gone well beyond a PS3 BC solution. They give PC users access to hundreds of PS4 games, its just not much 1st party PS4 games they give access to. Frankly, next gen is months away at this point. I think its okay to give PS Now more 1st party PS4 games. Unless they want that same PS4 content to help sell PS5? Maybe like patched versions of those games. Maybe...

Now I didn't create this thread to say Sony should do exactly what MS does. BUT when I saw Horizon:ZD is on PS Now, that gave me the impression it has better 1st party PS4 support than it actually does.

Sony has been very generous with PS4 content on PS Now and that's awesome. But holy fuck, I'd like to see more Sony PS4 games on a this Sony service.