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SanAndreasX on 29 February 2020
curl-6 said:

The Switch is actually quite a bit more capable than the Wii U. It has three times as much RAM available to games, twice as much main RAM bandwith, and a much more modern GPU capable of more advanced visual effects.

I got Witcher 3 for the Switch, and while it's obviously going to look a lot better on a X1X, the Switch port is perfectly competent, runs pretty solidly, and really doesn't look bad. CD Projekt and Saber did a commendable job of stuffing the whole thing into a 32GB cartridge. 

With that said, at this stage of the graphics game, artistry impresses me a lot more than raw polygons or anti-aliasing. I've seen AAA games that look like ass despite being high-end on a technical basis, and indie games with a lot of visual flair. 



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curl-6 on 29 February 2020
SanAndreasX said:
curl-6 said:

The Switch is actually quite a bit more capable than the Wii U. It has three times as much RAM available to games, twice as much main RAM bandwith, and a much more modern GPU capable of more advanced visual effects.

I got Witcher 3 for the Switch, and while it's obviously going to look a lot better on a X1X, the Switch port is perfectly competent, runs pretty solidly, and really doesn't look bad. CD Projekt and Saber did a commendable job of stuffing the whole thing into a 32GB cartridge. 

With that said, at this stage of the graphics game, artistry impresses me a lot more than raw polygons or anti-aliasing. I've seen AAA games that look like ass despite being high-end on a technical basis, and indie games with a lot of visual flair. 

Yeah Witcher 3 is a remarkable port, and a great example of a game that simply wouldn't have been possible on Wii U.

And yeah, art goes a lot further than raw technical grunt for me too; I still reckon Muramasa on Wii is one the most beautiful games I've ever laid eyes on.



Pemalite on 29 February 2020
curl-6 said:

The reason Xenoblade Chronicles X has less jaggies than BOTW on Wii U is because the former is fixed at 720p with post-process anti-aliasing while the former has a dynamic resolution than can drop to 648p under load, and while I cannot confirm, may not use anti-aliasing.

Breath of the Wild is 720P on Wii U, 900P on Switch.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-switch-vs-wii-u-face-off

Both 30fps.

Not aware of any dynamic scaling? I did complete it on Wii U and the Switch version that I have looks identical, just slightly sharper. (As expected when you go from 1280x720 to 1600x900)

Game could have benefited greatly from some slight AA, even if it's a cheap post-process AA.



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d21lewis on 29 February 2020

I see Tomb Raider 2013 mentioned a few times and I wholeheartedly agree. I swear that game was just nice to look at. Even now I play it on a fairly regular basis on my 8th gen consoles and it still looks absolutely stunning to me. Never played Rise on 7th gen hardware but if it looks better than its predecessor, then that's a hell of a feat.

I'm really partial to Enslaved, too. People tell me "Oh, it doesn't look that good because _____" but it's one of those 7th gen games that just leaves me in awe every time.



curl-6 on 29 February 2020
Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

The reason Xenoblade Chronicles X has less jaggies than BOTW on Wii U is because the former is fixed at 720p with post-process anti-aliasing while the former has a dynamic resolution than can drop to 648p under load, and while I cannot confirm, may not use anti-aliasing.

Breath of the Wild is 720P on Wii U, 900P on Switch.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-switch-vs-wii-u-face-off

Both 30fps.

Not aware of any dynamic scaling? I did complete it on Wii U and the Switch version that I have looks identical, just slightly sharper. (As expected when you go from 1280x720 to 1600x900)

Game could have benefited greatly from some slight AA, even if it's a cheap post-process AA.

That was DF's initial finding but they posted an update shortly afterwards:

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-uses-dynamic-resolution-scaling



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victor83fernandes on 01 March 2020
curl-6 said:
victor83fernandes said:

Are you guys serious? I love Nintendo, but wii games being in top graphically? They look beyond horrible, jaggies everywhere, bad textures, 480i resolution, which can be updated to 480p if you buy the cable for it, still very far from the typical 640p-720p last generation.

Mario galaxy looked decent, I still love it, but nothing like when Nintendo came with Mario 64 and it was a graphical marvel compared to the ps1, or even the gamecube when it had Mario sunshine and luigi mansion and graphics were really great compared to the ps2.

You misunderstand, we're not saying these Wii games are among the best looking games of the entire generation, just that they are the best looking on the Wii.

And i actually think the best looking Wii games still look quite nice even at 480p.

Quite nice? What screen size do you play on? They look acceptable but that's it. Wii was never supposed to compete in graphics, wii was supposed to be a new way to play games and to broaden the gaming audience. I'm not even mentioning 480i resolution which is basically half 480p, Im more concerned for the jaggies on all 3d games, Galaxy was alright on a 32inch TV, any bigger than that and jaggies was just in your face.

With that said, Mario 3d on wiiU looks amazing on my 100inch screen, really impressive.

On top of that only a couple top games looked decent on wii, if you put stuff like call of duty or other 3rd party 3d games it looks horrible.

But who are we trying to fool here? The wii is barely more powerful than a gamecube, as gamers we know it doesn't look as good as 360 games. And that's OK, Nintendo didn't promise any more than that.

This is actually the biggest reason I was surprised the wiiU didn't take off, because on big HD screens it looked miles ahead of the wii, much sharper, more colourful, almost no jaggies in sight. The difference from wii to wiiU is much bigger than ps3 to ps4 or 360 to One.



victor83fernandes on 01 March 2020
curl-6 said:
victor83fernandes said:

Oh ok, I thought we were talking all consoles from 7th generation.

Yeah those games still look OK, but just barely, I have to force my brain to adapt to the graphics every time I replay xenoblades or Mario, because on my ps4 pro and xbox X I get no jaggies at all, and your brain gets accustomed to it, specially as I play on a 100inch screen jaggies get really noticeable. It was fine when I got the wii back in 2006, and I played games on an SD TV with 26 inch, it actually looked way better than an HD projector at 100inch.

With that said, Xenoblade on the 3ds was really getting my eyes to bleed, almost unplayable as you cant make out what is a jaggie and what is a door. Everything was just messed together. That game was just too much for the 3ds.

On the other hand the wiiU was an HD console from the get go, and it looked beautiful from day 1, Zelda looks bad because its a big open world demanding game so they could not fix the jaggies, Wind waker and Twilight princess look better on wiiU because, as they were not demanding they managed to remove the jaggies.

The biggest example of wii vs wiiU is Xenoblade chronicles, and then you play xenoblades X, the graphics are like 5x better, even tough the world got much bigger. Amazing how they managed that on wiiU, because the world is bigger than Zelda, and there's a lot of stuff in the world and no jaggies, game looks sharp and clean. So clearly the developers knew how to take advantage of the hardware better than the Zelda developers, or maybe they just made it look bad on wiiU to make people buy a switch, you really notice the difference in jaggies from the switch Zelda.

I don't play on a projector or 100 inch screen or on PS4 Pro/Xbox One X/PC, so I guess my frame of reference is different.

My TV is 42 inches and my primary platform is the Switch. But I'm still able to fire up, say, Mario Galaxy or Sonic Colours and while they do have noticeable jaggies, I still think they look visually appealing overall.

The topic was not if it looks appealing, but TOP GRAPHICAL GAMES OF THE GENERATION, Mario galaxy looks good to me, but I cant honestly say that it looks as good as for example Killzone 2, Metal gear solid 5, Tomb raider, Crysis 3, Bioshock, Uncharted 2 and many others. It looks very good for a wii game, but not on top 10 or even top 20 graphically of the generation. With that said I still play N64 on my 100inch projector but I know the graphics cant compare, and that's fine, games are still fun.



victor83fernandes on 01 March 2020
Pemalite said:
victor83fernandes said:

Are you guys serious? I love Nintendo, but wii games being in top graphically? They look beyond horrible, jaggies everywhere, bad textures, 480i resolution, which can be updated to 480p if you buy the cable for it, still very far from the typical 640p-720p last generation.

Mario galaxy looked decent, I still love it, but nothing like when Nintendo came with Mario 64 and it was a graphical marvel compared to the ps1, or even the gamecube when it had Mario sunshine and luigi mansion and graphics were really great compared to the ps2.

I don't think Nintendo will ever again be on top of graphics with their new approach. But I thought that's what people want, portability instead of graphics.

With that said the wiiU was the first time I saw beautiful graphics from Nintendo on an HD TV. Games like pikmin 3, Mario 3d, wonderful 101 all look amazing, but then again breath of the wild looks horrible with jaggies being very noticeable. The switch has even less of a chance because even tough its barely any more powerful than a wiiU (which was several times less powerful than ps4), now it competes with xbox X graphics and soon with ps5 graphics, so Nintendo wont even compete in graphics for the foreseeable future.

If your argument is that the Graphics on the Wii are terrible because more powerful consoles existed...

Then by extension the visuals on all consoles -forever- are shit because the PC exists.

Rather that isn't what the discussion is about, the discussion is about the best graphics on -each- individual system rather than the entire 7th gen collectively.

The Switch has proven to be a far more capable system than the Wii U... And we aren't even at the point where the Switch will get it's best looking games yet, in saying that, it still obviously falls short of it's 8th gen competitors.

curl-6 said:

I don't play on a projector or 100 inch screen or on PS4 Pro/Xbox One X/PC, so I guess my frame of reference is different.

My TV is 42 inches and my primary platform is the Switch. But I'm still able to fire up, say, Mario Galaxy or Sonic Colours and while they do have noticeable jaggies, I still think they look visually appealing overall.

I am surprised how well Wii games hold up on a CRT to be honest.
But on my 75" home Television? Not so much.

Wrong, we are talking console generation 7, PC is not part of any generation. Read the post topic before commenting, no one asked best graphics on individual console.

Switch far more capable than wiiU? Not really, its only slightly more capable, just like the wii was only slightly more capable than gamecube, not the huge difference we got from wii to Wii U or ps3 to ps4.

The switch came 3 years after the ps4, it still is not nearly as powerful, if you compare side by side witcher 3, its like a different game altogether.



Hynad on 01 March 2020
victor83fernandes said:  Bla bla bla.

You’re the only one who didn’t understand what the topic was asking. The only one looking for an argument with people over what they should consider good or not. 



curl-6 on 01 March 2020
victor83fernandes said:
curl-6 said:

You misunderstand, we're not saying these Wii games are among the best looking games of the entire generation, just that they are the best looking on the Wii.

And i actually think the best looking Wii games still look quite nice even at 480p.

Quite nice? What screen size do you play on? They look acceptable but that's it. Wii was never supposed to compete in graphics, wii was supposed to be a new way to play games and to broaden the gaming audience. I'm not even mentioning 480i resolution which is basically half 480p, Im more concerned for the jaggies on all 3d games, Galaxy was alright on a 32inch TV, any bigger than that and jaggies was just in your face.

With that said, Mario 3d on wiiU looks amazing on my 100inch screen, really impressive.

On top of that only a couple top games looked decent on wii, if you put stuff like call of duty or other 3rd party 3d games it looks horrible.

But who are we trying to fool here? The wii is barely more powerful than a gamecube, as gamers we know it doesn't look as good as 360 games. And that's OK, Nintendo didn't promise any more than that.

This is actually the biggest reason I was surprised the wiiU didn't take off, because on big HD screens it looked miles ahead of the wii, much sharper, more colourful, almost no jaggies in sight. The difference from wii to wiiU is much bigger than ps3 to ps4 or 360 to One.

I currently play on a 42 inch TV, and in the Wii's case, via component cables in progressive scan, so no 480i for me.

And I would disagree, there are actually quite a few games I think look nice on Wii; I've already listed several, including some third party efforts like Sonic Colours. Just because they were technically well below PS3/360 doesn't mean I can't find them appealing visually.

victor83fernandes said:
curl-6 said:

I don't play on a projector or 100 inch screen or on PS4 Pro/Xbox One X/PC, so I guess my frame of reference is different.

My TV is 42 inches and my primary platform is the Switch. But I'm still able to fire up, say, Mario Galaxy or Sonic Colours and while they do have noticeable jaggies, I still think they look visually appealing overall.

The topic was not if it looks appealing, but TOP GRAPHICAL GAMES OF THE GENERATION, Mario galaxy looks good to me, but I cant honestly say that it looks as good as for example Killzone 2, Metal gear solid 5, Tomb raider, Crysis 3, Bioshock, Uncharted 2 and many others. It looks very good for a wii game, but not on top 10 or even top 20 graphically of the generation. With that said I still play N64 on my 100inch projector but I know the graphics cant compare, and that's fine, games are still fun.

The topic asked us what were the top graphical games on each 7th gen console. The Wii is one of those consoles. So I listed the ones that were the best looking on it.