Everything you said i can argue that Chrono Trigger did first and better. CT also still holds up batter today thanks to its sprites.

How did FF7 shape the future of JRPGs when it was basically FF6 with polygons and pre rendered backgrounds. Everything else remained the same.

Iv played and finished Zelda OoT, Chrono Trigger and FF7 and i just dont see the innovation you speak of. FF7 has a fantastic story thats basically it.

 I favour the FF7 battle scene art the characters look great I prefer them over the lego or CGI versions .

Wasn't really my point but I actually like the blocky deformed versions.  Probably more based on nostalgia than anything else.  Those kinds of graphics really only existed for a relatively short time, so they look unique.

Nope, you don't understand. Nice attempt to twist things around though.

I have to break things down in the most simplistic terms for you and I don't really have the patience for that, but I'll try to make this nice and simple for you to understand.

You can ask anyone, what do they think about FF7R and they'll say something like this "This is how I always imagined the game to look like." or "This is how I always imagined the music to sound like." - Thus my statement "Nobody has really seen Final Fantasy 7."

We know many NPC's Ex: The dolphin girl, Scarlet, Don Corneo, Palmer, and many many more as Lego people. - Thus my statement "Nobody has really seen Final Fantasy 7."

All we know about Jenova is that she came from space - I can use my imagination about Jenova's origin, or her personality before she became a fossil. Can you?

Do you see where I am going with this? This is what happens when you play this game, your imagination takes over to the point we have to imagine what all these scenes and things look like in our head, almost as if you're reading a book. Now we're at the point where we can actually see it. The problem however JWeinCom, is you. You don't have an imagination.

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After reading entire conversation, it had little to do with the point.

You really have a stupid revisionist approach to history.

That you question FFVII’s mark on gaming history and what it achieved, out of bias and a clear need to contradict everyone, especially when it pits something against Nintendo or XBox, is really getting old and predictable.

There are a lot of people that feel FFVII is overrated.  There are a lot of people that feel OoT is overrated (not even in my top 5 Zelda games).  I fail to see how not thinking FFVII is that revolutionary has anything to do with Nintendo or XBox at all.

I mean FFVII is pretty much on all platforms now, so I really do not see why anyone would attack it for that reason.

Dude.  I try not to do this, but I have a 148 IQ, 1410 on my SATs, top 7% of my LSATS (which I actually took while having a major depressive episode), have a bachelor's in English, a Master's in Education, and am top 10-15% in my law school.  I'm very capable of interpreting the English language, and conveying my thoughts in it. I generally don't try to point this out since it's close to an argument by authority fallacy, but if your only rebuttal to me is basically "you're dumb", I have pretty good reason to believe I'm not.

Does this mean I'm always right or clear?  Of course not, I'm not claiming to be perfect.  But, you're utterly refusing to engage with anything I actually said.  Labeling it as "stupid stuff" doesn't progress the conversation.  Granted, I called your post stupid, and you can call mine stupid if you like too.  I'm thick skinned, and have said stupid things before.  But, after calling your post stupid, I went through it on a point by point basis explaining why, then asked you questions to clarify what I didn't understand about your position. On the other hand you just posted the same thing I addressed already for a fourth time.  I'll give you a hint, if you post the same thing, I will reply with the same thing.  If you actually point out what part I'm misunderstanding, maybe I'll say something else.

You are continually responding to a point I never made.  I never said that people can't play FF7 and imagine stuff about it.  In fact I specifically said the opposite multiple times. Like in the last post.

"The issue isn't that one's imagination can't be sparked by Final Fantasy 7.  I never argued that point, even if you imagine I did."

Yet, after that you're somehow responding with "People play FF7 and imagine things!"  No shit.  You're still responding to what you're imagining I'm saying, and not what I'm actually saying.

Now focus on these next sentences. You can play Final Fantasy 7 and imagine things.  You can also do this with literally every other game.  That is not a special trait of Final Fantasy 7.  That is why I think your argument is stupid.

I can imagine what the characters in Zelda would look like in an HD game, or as stick figures, or in cel shading, as Lego men, if they were all incredibly obese, in claymation, or as anything else.  I can imagine what happened to Sheik during the 7 years Link was sealed in the temple of time.  I can imagine what would have happened if Link never opened the Temple of Time, and Ganondorf had to wage war the old fashioned way.  I could imagine things about literally every game that has ever been made.  I can make up a back story in my head about pong if I really wanted.  

And that's my point that I will repeat again.  The fact that you can imagine things about Final Fantasy 7 does not make it special in any way.  That is why I asked a CLARIFYING QUESTION which is WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND SOMEONE'S ARGUMENT.

So, I'll ask again.  Why is FF7 special in this regard?  What makes it more imaginatively engaging than Ocarina of Time, Chrono Cross, or any game from that era?  If we haven't seen FF7 have we seen any of those other games?

To be 100% clear, this is what I think is stupid about your argument, and that is why I'm asking a clarifying question to see if I am misunderstanding, or if it is indeed stupid.

A lot of people think that in order to praise something and recognize its impact, you need to bring something else down.

Many here lack the necessary mindset to be objective. Azzanation is one of them.

Odd thing to say to someone who owns and finished these games mentioned and claimed there his favourite games.

Where am i downplaying? Because i said one game isnt that innovative? Its not, thats the simple fact here when comparing to Zelda OoT.

FF7 is owned and made by Sqaure, i compared it to Chrono Trigger which is another game owned and made by Square. Where does Nintendo and Xbox fall into this convo? 

And before you say FF7 is a PS1 exclusive, its not, it realised on PC so dont pretend i am doing this out of spite againt Sony.

Guessing everyone voting for Zelda is also bias against Sony. Dont take my word for it, Zelda OoT was considered by many critics and users as the greatest game of all time.

But you want my anwser, i say Chrono Trigger is the better game out of Zelda OoT and FF7 as i had more fun with it. 

So Square wins my vote over Nintendo, i must be bias.