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Sony should eat the cost ... 27 42.19%
 
I don't mind 499 USD PS5 ... 18 28.13%
 
499 USD is very cheap i will buy 3 5 7.81%
 
As long it comes with Kna... 10 15.63%
 
Shut up just give us the ... 4 6.25%
 
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Radek said:
trunkswd said:

True once you add in the cut of the retailers, packaging, shipping, and paying the worker that manufacture each PS5.

But even if they still lose at $499, it will be only like few dollars on every unit.

The cost of the retailer's profit, packaging, shipping, and paying the workers combined aren't just a few dollars, if Sony sell it at $400 - $450, then...



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I would pay 700 EUR if it has good games but they need to focus on the mass,they might ask 449 EUR to sell it at a small loss and that would be best imo ?
Getting that bigger piece of the market at the start is important i do think.



trunkswd said:
The PS4 in 2013 launched at $399. When you adjust for inflation it would cost $442 today. A PS5 launching at $449 would be the same price as the PS4 at launch. I could see a PS5 for $449 with a 500GB SSD and a PS5 for $499 with a 1TB SSD.

Hmm i do not think it will be such a small price difference.

Putting two models of the ps5 so close to eachother pricewise would be confusing for consumers,atleast that is how a bussiness can look at it.



Trumpstyle said:
Radek said:

How? 9.2 Tflops in 2020 is more towards high-end while 1.8 Tflops in 2013 was mid-range, also ultra fast 1 TB SSD is much more expensive than 500 GB HDD or even 1TB HDD is, also factor in inflation in 7 years and Coronavirus.

Look what first party devs achieved with 1.8 Tflops. Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, TLOU 2, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, Spiderman, 9.2 Tflops is plenty.

$499 even if it's 9.2 Tflops is more than fair price.

EDIT: Also how do you even expect it to cost $399 when it's already costing $450 to produce? Doesn't factor packaging, shipping, retail margin etc.

Yes, Sony might use the same excuses as you are, $500 is just to much and is an insult to their PS fans if they have an 9TF console, they must charge $400 if that is the case. I'm okey with $500 for 11TF, that would be great.

Sorry but you are not worth even discussing with, if you think Sony should be losing $100 on every PS5 sold.

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Radek said:
Trumpstyle said:

Yes, Sony might use the same excuses as you are, $500 is just to much and is an insult to their PS fans if they have an 9TF console, they must charge $400 if that is the case. I'm okey with $500 for 11TF, that would be great.

Sorry but you are not worth even discussing with, if you think Sony should be losing $100 on every PS5 sold.

Indeed why would Sony risk it's own company existence with such a ridiculous low price,i would personally feel like a thief buying something like that.



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Radek said:
Trumpstyle said:

Yes, Sony might use the same excuses as you are, $500 is just to much and is an insult to their PS fans if they have an 9TF console, they must charge $400 if that is the case. I'm okey with $500 for 11TF, that would be great.

Sorry but you are not worth even discussing with, if you think Sony should be losing $100 on every PS5 sold.

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.



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victor83fernandes said:
konnichiwa said:
399 With not HD and 449 with one. The loss is only for a short time because people buy games,extra controller, ps plus, ps now etc that makes money and the losses will be regained fast.

Impossible, they cant sell you a console where you couldn't even install the game, basically they would never sell you a console where you couldn't play games on, the backlash would be too much and would hurt the brand name.

Sony has said before they wouldn't sell consoles at a loss anymore, I remember that from the beginning of current generation, so that wont happen.

The PS one had a similar backlash, when people bought a console and a game but could not save the game because it also did not come with a memorycard, in the end it did not hurt, if stores explain that you need to get an (external) HD etc it will be fine.

Sony has stated with the PS2 that they will not sell consoles anymore at a loss (and that loading times will be extinct soon 'jax and daxter kind of did it') it is a lot of marketing and investors talk.






Trumpstyle said:
Radek said:

Sorry but you are not worth even discussing with, if you think Sony should be losing $100 on every PS5 sold.

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.

Explain how those TF's need to work together with other important components in the console and why you consider putting so much importance on that one thing,explain us what you know about the PS5 being a factual less powerfull console as a whole than the next gen xbox.

I question your knowledge on hardware to be able make the statements you do in a correct way.



Trumpstyle said:
Radek said:

Sorry but you are not worth even discussing with, if you think Sony should be losing $100 on every PS5 sold.

Dude, the losses are irrelevant, Xbox series X will probably be a good amount more powerful than 9TF and I think it's unlikely Microsoft will charge above $500 as that would be a waste of time. Here's a list I made of verified insiders actually giving TF numbers for PS5:

Matt: 10.5TF+
BGs: 10.7-11.5TF
Jason Schreier: 10.7TF+
Heisenberg: 9.5TF or 11TF+
VFX_Veteran: 9TF
Klee: 12TF+

We have two 9TF in that list and Oberon with 9.2TF and Xbox series X likely at 12TF. Something around 11TF for $500 I think will be okey to compete will Xbox series X. They can't charge the same price as Microsoft if there's 9-12TF gap.

Tell ‘em - what does a “teraflop gap” mean for such devices? In a nutshell. I’m gonna be strict on this because you put such an emphasis on them. Educate these people. If you can’t, you should consider focusing on the things that actually matter regarding computer hardware.



                                                                                                             

Immersiveunreality said:
I would pay 700 EUR if it has good games but they need to focus on the mass,they might ask 449 EUR to sell it at a small loss and that would be best imo ?
Getting that bigger piece of the market at the start is important i do think.

I actually hope that happens with the PS6, they aim from a $700 price point.

Not that I want to pay more, but that I don't want hardware evolution to be minimal just to keep a pricepoint without even considering the inflation adjustment over all these years.

We pay that kind of money for consoles here already and we have much less spare money than NA/EU/JP, and general tech prices have skyrocketed so there are people paying double that on a smartphone nowdays in an yearly base already.

I don't see why people wouldn't easily pay $500 nowdays, or $700 in 2027, for powerful machines that are more future proof than not.