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victor83fernandes said:
Leynos said:
I hope PS5 is $400

That is impossible, Sony wont be taking losses on sales, and ps5 will come with at least 500SSD, that alone costs like 100 dollars. Even with the cheapest plastics for the chassis, ps5 could never be 400 dollars, 450 will be minimum. And if rumours are right about ps1, ps2 and ps3 compatibility then even more because the ps3 chip is still not cheap.

I'm willing to bet with anyone minimum 450dollars, most likely 499dollars with 500gb SSD and 550dollars with 1TB SSD

I know. I just said I hope. As in I wish. I didn't say it would.



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sales2099 said:

Careful, your fanboy is showing. It’s unbecoming to compare a mediocre game to ones that aren’t out yet. You deflected the actual point instead of taking the L. Until Sony announces something other then a font, Xbox has more new IPs and games. My the times are starting to change 

I am sorry if speak about reality , reality is harsh. But i just i want give you a hint that, Xbox have not yet prove anything nor they made a change except some hope and dream. You can argue Xbox has great games if the games already came out and has a lot of sales, high meta critique and can compete directly with Playstation. Even Phil Spencer dont want to compete with Playstation and Nintendo and choose to compete the nonexistent Google and Amazon. 

You right that it’s all unproven. You got me there. I just clearly stated that Xbox has more announced new IP then Sony at this point. Until Sony breaks their silence you are more then welcome to chime in. 

But like I said, it’s unbecoming to write off games that aren’t released yet. It’s not something rooted in proper debate. You won’t see me doing that until I see the Metacritic score. 

And I ask you to consider that what Ms is doing isn’t so different then Nintendo. They couldn’t compete with the N64 and GameCube so they go off the grid and make their own market with the Wii/WiiU and Switch. Competitors in gaming sure but not direct competitors. MS has their eye on the mobile console-gaming streaming market. Something untapped and currently only occupied by the failing Stadia. And something Nintendo or Sony do not have the infrastructure to follow. So the statement isn’t wrong, Xbox is now competing on multiple fronts. 

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On topic, I see Sony waiting post E3...MS pretty much has to make a number appear on stage. It’s amusing that Sony is willing to take a hit to remain competitive, so this can only be good for everyone as each will try to outmaneuver.

That said, I don’t think they can do much against the cheaper Lockhart console which I think will ensure NA and UK overall sales. And I very much believe in the sub $100 Xcloud console rumour, releasing sometime in the next few years. That’ll be a great loophole around investing in a proper console ecosystem, and make a dent in markets Xbox has a tougher time in.



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victor83fernandes said:
AlbiNecroxz said:
And what if Xbox Series X price will be determined by PS5 price? We're gonna in a loop lol

The big difference is Microsoft can and will take losses on sales, Sony cant afford to do that, at best they would sell it without profits, that's the best they would do and that means minimum 450dollars.

Microsoft could do an underpowered series X for 400dollars, taking a loss on each sale, and a more powerful console for 450 taking a loss on each sale, people have to realize these consoles will be way more powerful than an xbox X, also the SSD increases the cost substantially, 1TB SSD is not cheap at all.

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.



                                                                                                             

victor83fernandes said:
AlbiNecroxz said:
And what if Xbox Series X price will be determined by PS5 price? We're gonna in a loop lol

The big difference is Microsoft can and will take losses on sales, Sony cant afford to do that, at best they would sell it without profits, that's the best they would do and that means minimum 450dollars.

Microsoft could do an underpowered series X for 400dollars, taking a loss on each sale, and a more powerful console for 450 taking a loss on each sale, people have to realize these consoles will be way more powerful than an xbox X, also the SSD increases the cost substantially, 1TB SSD is not cheap at all.

Yep but this gen is going to be defined by more than just who is cheaper. With BC people aren't just leaving their console of choice so easily.



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It will be determined by the x series? As opposed to what its ACTUALLY worth? Wtf?



CGI-Quality said:
victor83fernandes said:

The big difference is Microsoft can and will take losses on sales, Sony cant afford to do that, at best they would sell it without profits, that's the best they would do and that means minimum 450dollars.

Microsoft could do an underpowered series X for 400dollars, taking a loss on each sale, and a more powerful console for 450 taking a loss on each sale, people have to realize these consoles will be way more powerful than an xbox X, also the SSD increases the cost substantially, 1TB SSD is not cheap at all.

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.

Sony cant. They were atop an empire before the ps2... then the ps3 almost bankrupted them. How quickly we forget a poorly thought out system can drown a company like sony in multi billions in losses for basically the entire gen. Microsoft can afford it... sorry, sony just cant. They arent the big dogs anymore as far as size. They make money... jow... but they sure as hell cant waste it. That's just laughable. 



SwitchUP said:
CGI-Quality said:

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.

Sony cant. They were atop an empire before the ps2... then the ps3 almost bankrupted them. How quickly we forget a poorly thought out system can drown a company like sony in multi billions in losses for basically the entire gen. Microsoft can afford it... sorry, sony just cant. They arent the big dogs anymore as far as size. They make money... jow... but they sure as hell cant waste it. That's just laughable. 

If PS3 almost bankrupted SNY because they couldn't afford it, then how are they in the position they are in now with PS4? 

Not sure how PS4 has ever been able to go on sale then. Unless PS was still making money at that point. In which case you have to wonder, why didn't MS ever make the price difference between PS4 and XB1, $100, or even $200 cheaper? Why wasn't XB1X launched at $299 or less if MS is so keen on losing money on hardware to gain market share?

If it's as simple as, 'just drop the price by hundreds, who cares, we aren't here to make money', then why hasn't MS done so yet? Isn't it MS who was poking fun at SNY about why they were 'taking so long' with cross play? Gamers are still waiting for their $99 XB1X. Man MS is such a greedy anti-consumer company don't you think?...



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SwitchUP said:
CGI-Quality said:

Both companies can take losses on the hardware. Yes, both can afford it. Doesn’t mean they will, but they can afford it.

Sony cant. They were atop an empire before the ps2... then the ps3 almost bankrupted them. How quickly we forget a poorly thought out system can drown a company like sony in multi billions in losses for basically the entire gen. Microsoft can afford it... sorry, sony just cant. They arent the big dogs anymore as far as size. They make money... jow... but they sure as hell cant waste it. That's just laughable. 

I haven’t forgotten anything and the only thing laughable is thinking one system’s troubles (that have been entirely reversed and then some) suddenly means a company can’t take small to moderate losses ever again. Simply put, that’s complete nonsense. Also, no, the PS3 did not almost make them go bankrupt. 

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SwitchUP said:
It will be determined by the x series? As opposed to what its ACTUALLY worth? Wtf?

Nope it won't, but Sony can't just simply ignore the fact they have competitors. So the price they determine, based on cost and value for sure, must be competitive with whatever MS put on their systems and their specs.

And since there is about 8 months or more to release they will take another 3 months at least to keep refining the cost control and calculation and determining how much they can lose per HW and recoupe in PS+ games and others to finish the price they see as the one that will give then enough sale speed and profit.

@thread - with the passage of time I get to understand old people more and more when I see people that are very new to VGC and to analysis of sales or market claiming stuff like MS have infinite money so they will make billion of loses to be sure they undercut PS5 by a lot, or that Sony doesn't have money or intention to sell console for a small loss that can recoup with PS+ and royalties like they done on PS4, and all other funny stuff we see on every new gen start.

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