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sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

And that was the best performance MS ever did in the entire console industry. That's something to be proud of ? Finishing third place ? Specially when we know that 360 players bought several consoles because of the RROD ?

There was no RROD this generation, no PlayStation out one year late and look at how things go for Xbox. So yes I said it again, MS was never successful on the console industry. You probably live in America, but the thing is WorldWide is the key and they never was successful. And unfortunatly again for you Japan is part of the World.

How can you say that MS was successful in the console industry when they have no single one console on the best selling console list ? You are talking to me about N64, Wii U, Game Cube... But at the end of the day, Nintendo knows what it's like to have consoles on the best selling list. So yes, again, Nintendo, just like Sony, totally slap MS in the console industry.

Worlwide numbers don't lie. You live in your bubble in America, me I see the big picture. I don't care about one market. Where I live PS4 is outselling Xbox by 4:1 ratio minimum, but I know it's juste one market so I don't really care.

Nice job ignoring the actual point I made in the middle. Where winning breeds laziness and losing breeds better change. I’ve been enjoying Xbox in the last couple years just like I was at 360s peak from 2007-2010.

Because I don't know what it means ! English isn't my first language... 

But damn if you were sleeping like a baby back then, I guess you cried a lot when you see PS3 above 360 at the end. LoL

And of course you don't care about consoles sales anymore, if you're a Xbox fan, you better not care about consoles sales. 

Sorry I had to put a gif here.

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Keiji said:
sales2099 said:

Nice job ignoring the actual point I made in the middle. Where winning breeds laziness and losing breeds better change. I’ve been enjoying Xbox in the last couple years just like I was at 360s peak from 2007-2010.

Because I don't know what it means ! English isn't my first language... 

But damn if you were sleeping like a baby back then, I guess you cried a lot when you see PS3 above 360 at the end. LoL

And of course you don't care about consoles sales anymore, if you're a Xbox fan, you better not care about consoles sales. 

Sorry I had to put a gif here.

Hey no worries I didn’t know that. I mean usually when you lose you try harder and when you win you get lazy. Sony tried hard when PS3 was behind and now Ms will do the same next gen. So for the moment, I’m feeling very good about being a Xbox gamer. 

And when PS3 took 2nd, the gen was over so I honestly didn’t care. I was able to gloat from Nov 2005 - August 2013 so I can’t complain. 

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 



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sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

Because I don't know what it means ! English isn't my first language... 

But damn if you were sleeping like a baby back then, I guess you cried a lot when you see PS3 above 360 at the end. LoL

And of course you don't care about consoles sales anymore, if you're a Xbox fan, you better not care about consoles sales. 

Sorry I had to put a gif here.

Hey no worries I didn’t know that. I mean usually when you lose you try harder and when you win you get lazy. Sony tried hard when PS3 was behind and now Ms will do the same next gen. So for the moment, I’m feeling very good about being a Xbox gamer. 

And when PS3 took 2nd, the gen was over so I honestly didn’t care. I was able to gloat from Nov 2005 - August 2013 so I can’t complain. 

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 

Thank you the explaination. 



sales2099 said:

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 

I remember well, it was in 2000s', when there was an agenda that " hardware does not matter, software is king".

It turned out HS prices skyrocketed and HW is selling in huge numbers.



sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Please explain how crossgen will help push the early adopters to go to Xbox if they want the new and best version, while Sony will have the game they really need to buy a new console to play and will also allow then to carry over their games from PS4? To me it seems like they will both be better at keeping their current userbase plus luring Xbox gamers.

Cross gen has no impact on early adopters whatsoever. Early adopters just want the newest thing and or best version. Cross gen is for the millions that aren’t ready. It simply builds good will. 

Your last sentence has merit, though I can add that Xbox as a service is all about luring people who aren’t interested in console (PC versions) while keeping all console consumer demographics happy. 

So since crossgen doesn`t help push consoles but new games help you are basically agreeing that Sony will have a smoothier transition with more people joining PS than Xbox right?

sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

One could say Sony is more pro their consumer by investing more on the platform they chose.

Given how many ways there is to do everything we want and tastes of consumers, locking everything to one platform is a stretch to say what you are saying. 

I primarily game on Playstation and playing 1st party. So every game I care being made thinking only about that system to be the best it can be there is very consumer friendly for me. To release elsewhere isn`t really consumer friendly since those weren`t even their consumers in the first place. That is just trying to increase your marketshare.

sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

No no, come back to Earth. I am talking results, by stating MS doesn't only lost this gen, but all of them. Straight facts.

And I repeat there are no Xbox console on the Top 6 and soon Top 7 of best selling console of all time. I have to repeat it because it seems you didn't get it the first time. 

Sony and Nintendo got the success, and know that they sell a lot consoles, so they do what the winner do : exclusive games that sells consoles. That's business.

Quite the opposite for MS... MS is doing what losers do : share their games with everybody and that's business too. They don't do that because they are kind, oh no, not at all. They do that because that's the best thing to do when you are the loser and don't sell any console. They understood that they will never win a console generation so the best thing to do is sell more games everywhere. 

So stop your "MS are so kind" non sense. But yes that's cool that people don't have to buy an Xbox to play Xbox games today. I can play it on my PC, the only problem is I don't like Halo/Gears and Forza.

Ya you have some balls calling me blind when you yourself need a visit to the eye doctor and not aware of it ;) I like tour take on history, given that Nintendo lost with the N64, GameCube, and WiiU...where as 360 beat Sony the entire gen and only cause of Japan did PS3 creep up to 2nd in the final months. Bravo....only someone like you can spin that MS was never successful in the industry, nevermind admit they are successful in their own right despite a terrible misguided 2013 launch. 

Winning breeds laziness and losing breeds more effort. Loving Game Pass and backwards compatibility, and it’ll be years before Sony cares enough to make PS Now and their own BC a priority. Now MS staffed up on a ton of studios. Losing never felt so good :). 

But hey, I remember a time where sales of a gaming console meant more to me then actually playing games. Good times, but I realize that’s not the point of being passionate about gaming. One day you’ll get there too. 

Nope X360 didn`t and you know it. Launch aligned PS3 was always ahead of X360.

And nope MS wasn`t really successful, you can`t show a single year of profit caused exclusively by Xbox because MS haven`t ever showed those numbers. The department always had other stuff inflating their numbers.

MS losing and giving alot of effort on Xbox original was shutting it down very fast, and on X1 it was like 5 years of only talking and promises to only in the 6th year do something.

Lazy Sony winning on PS2 made PS3 that doesn't look at all to be fruit of lazyness. 

sales2099 said:
HollyGamer said:

Even Knack is much better than all those title you have mentioned

 

Careful, your fanboy is showing. It’s unbecoming to compare a mediocre game to ones that aren’t out yet. You deflected the actual point instead of taking the L. Until Sony announces something other then a font, Xbox has more new IPs and games. My the times are starting to change 

You are here long enough to know it isn't good to call someone fanboy here.

sales2099 said:
Keiji said:

Because I don't know what it means ! English isn't my first language... 

But damn if you were sleeping like a baby back then, I guess you cried a lot when you see PS3 above 360 at the end. LoL

And of course you don't care about consoles sales anymore, if you're a Xbox fan, you better not care about consoles sales. 

Sorry I had to put a gif here.

Hey no worries I didn’t know that. I mean usually when you lose you try harder and when you win you get lazy. Sony tried hard when PS3 was behind and now Ms will do the same next gen. So for the moment, I’m feeling very good about being a Xbox gamer. 

And when PS3 took 2nd, the gen was over so I honestly didn’t care. I was able to gloat from Nov 2005 - August 2013 so I can’t complain. 

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 

And not being able to gloat from 2013 until now is the reason why you were hidden right?



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KingofTrolls said:

sales2099 said:

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 

I remember well, it was in 2000s', when there was an agenda that " hardware does not matter, software is king".

It turned out HS prices skyrocketed and HW is selling in huge numbers.

The hell did I just read? And what's HS?



DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Cross gen has no impact on early adopters whatsoever. Early adopters just want the newest thing and or best version. Cross gen is for the millions that aren’t ready. It simply builds good will. 

Your last sentence has merit, though I can add that Xbox as a service is all about luring people who aren’t interested in console (PC versions) while keeping all console consumer demographics happy. 

So since crossgen doesn`t help push consoles but new games help you are basically agreeing that Sony will have a smoothier transition with more people joining PS than Xbox right?

sales2099 said:

Given how many ways there is to do everything we want and tastes of consumers, locking everything to one platform is a stretch to say what you are saying. 

I primarily game on Playstation and playing 1st party. So every game I care being made thinking only about that system to be the best it can be there is very consumer friendly for me. To release elsewhere isn`t really consumer friendly since those weren`t even their consumers in the first place. That is just trying to increase your marketshare.

sales2099 said:

Ya you have some balls calling me blind when you yourself need a visit to the eye doctor and not aware of it ;) I like tour take on history, given that Nintendo lost with the N64, GameCube, and WiiU...where as 360 beat Sony the entire gen and only cause of Japan did PS3 creep up to 2nd in the final months. Bravo....only someone like you can spin that MS was never successful in the industry, nevermind admit they are successful in their own right despite a terrible misguided 2013 launch. 

Winning breeds laziness and losing breeds more effort. Loving Game Pass and backwards compatibility, and it’ll be years before Sony cares enough to make PS Now and their own BC a priority. Now MS staffed up on a ton of studios. Losing never felt so good :). 

But hey, I remember a time where sales of a gaming console meant more to me then actually playing games. Good times, but I realize that’s not the point of being passionate about gaming. One day you’ll get there too. 

Nope X360 didn`t and you know it. Launch aligned PS3 was always ahead of X360.

And nope MS wasn`t really successful, you can`t show a single year of profit caused exclusively by Xbox because MS haven`t ever showed those numbers. The department always had other stuff inflating their numbers.

MS losing and giving alot of effort on Xbox original was shutting it down very fast, and on X1 it was like 5 years of only talking and promises to only in the 6th year do something.

Lazy Sony winning on PS2 made PS3 that doesn't look at all to be fruit of lazyness. 

sales2099 said:

Careful, your fanboy is showing. It’s unbecoming to compare a mediocre game to ones that aren’t out yet. You deflected the actual point instead of taking the L. Until Sony announces something other then a font, Xbox has more new IPs and games. My the times are starting to change 

You are here long enough to know it isn't good to call someone fanboy here.

sales2099 said:

Hey no worries I didn’t know that. I mean usually when you lose you try harder and when you win you get lazy. Sony tried hard when PS3 was behind and now Ms will do the same next gen. So for the moment, I’m feeling very good about being a Xbox gamer. 

And when PS3 took 2nd, the gen was over so I honestly didn’t care. I was able to gloat from Nov 2005 - August 2013 so I can’t complain. 

Lol indeed. Yes we had to adapt. Now it’s about player counts and overall sales within the Xbox ecosystem. 

And not being able to gloat from 2013 until now is the reason why you were hidden right?

1st Quote: Im saying Sony will have a forced transition. Because I see the majority of the 100+ million not buying a PS5 in the first year and thus will be left out until they buy one. 

2nd Quote: Your tastes are well and good but hardly thinking of others. Nintendo, PC, Xbox...to release somewhere else is consumer friendly because you take into account other tastes. It seems this is the difference between Sony and MSs approach. Sony locks their experience to their box and now MS views their brand as a service that also has a console. Therefore, the Xbox brand just got a lot more reach potential. Agree to disagree. 

3rd Quote: I never believed in aligned launch stats. Its just a clever way to save face from being last place for the first time ever. Because trying to make it "fair" is just silly. The gen started in Nov 2005 when 360 released. 360 was profitable since 2008 till end of life cycle. As for Xbox One ya you got me therewe just don't know. Again agree to disagree, I feel PS3 was in fact the fruit of laziness. Overpriced console bluray aside.  Multiplats were inferior then the 360 version, PSN took years to catch up to Live in basic social features, and their games didn't pick up till 2008, and MGS4 wasn't even first party.

Quote 4: I felt the naming was justified. Like me saying that Ryse Son of Rome is a better game then Last of Us 2. Wrong on more then a few levels so yes I believe in using that word when it warrants it. 

Quote 5: I was on Reddit mostly. But I have no issue saying that Xbox 1 botched their vision and limped ever since. Why would I self torture myself defending the console, I like to advocate for it when they are doing right things. Xbox X, BC and Game Pass really turned it around in my eyes.  



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People accept the X360 spun numbers? Minus 50% for all the repeat purchases, I bought three, mates bought at least two. LOL.



AlbiNecroxz said:
And what if Xbox Series X price will be determined by PS5 price? We're gonna in a loop lol

That's why I've posted a thread about it. It's no surprise that coming out second will be an advantage. They're probably trying to wait on each other as much as possible to react accordingly.



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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

So since crossgen doesn`t help push consoles but new games help you are basically agreeing that Sony will have a smoothier transition with more people joining PS than Xbox right?

I primarily game on Playstation and playing 1st party. So every game I care being made thinking only about that system to be the best it can be there is very consumer friendly for me. To release elsewhere isn`t really consumer friendly since those weren`t even their consumers in the first place. That is just trying to increase your marketshare.

Nope X360 didn`t and you know it. Launch aligned PS3 was always ahead of X360.

And nope MS wasn`t really successful, you can`t show a single year of profit caused exclusively by Xbox because MS haven`t ever showed those numbers. The department always had other stuff inflating their numbers.

MS losing and giving alot of effort on Xbox original was shutting it down very fast, and on X1 it was like 5 years of only talking and promises to only in the 6th year do something.

Lazy Sony winning on PS2 made PS3 that doesn't look at all to be fruit of lazyness. 

You are here long enough to know it isn't good to call someone fanboy here.

And not being able to gloat from 2013 until now is the reason why you were hidden right?

1st Quote: Im saying Sony will have a forced transition. Because I see the majority of the 100+ million not buying a PS5 in the first year and thus will be left out until they buy one. 

That is how every transition have ever been. Smooth transition is more on the way of steady flow of PS5 customers that keep SW sales with minimal impact. Doesn't have to do with people not buying newer product not being catered, even more because most of the 3rd party titles will have crossgen support for couple of year and the yearly sports games for a long time.

2nd Quote: Your tastes are well and good but hardly thinking of others. Nintendo, PC, Xbox...to release somewhere else is consumer friendly because you take into account other tastes. It seems this is the difference between Sony and MSs approach. Sony locks their experience to their box and now MS views their brand as a service that also has a console. Therefore, the Xbox brand just got a lot more reach potential. Agree to disagree. 

The key here is consumer friendly. Sony have no obligation (or is more consumer friendly) for allowing you to not consume from them.

3rd Quote: I never believed in aligned launch stats. Its just a clever way to save face from being last place for the first time ever. Because trying to make it "fair" is just silly. The gen started in Nov 2005 when 360 released. 360 was profitable since 2008 till end of life cycle. As for Xbox One ya you got me therewe just don't know. Again agree to disagree, I feel PS3 was in fact the fruit of laziness. Overpriced console bluray aside.  Multiplats were inferior then the 360 version, PSN took years to catch up to Live in basic social features, and their games didn't pick up till 2008, and MGS4 wasn't even first party.

About everything on PS3 was of premium quality and thus costed more, they were looking for extravagant solutions with Cell, have no idea how you come to that being laziness. Multiplats being inferior isn't Sony laziness since Sony 1st party looked better than MS ones, PSN took years because Sony had no experience (because if using your example of losing make you try harder, Sony was losing on PSN and that didn't made PSN improve any faster). So since aligning sales being silly you'll claim that X1 done much better than Switch this gen because only on the year it is going to be substituted it passed Xbox?

Mind you that if you compare yearly sales as well (instead of aligned) PS3 won against X360 all but 1 year. So yes you are trying to use the one metric that would have Xbox being ahead for most time, still lost in the end.

Quote 4: I felt the naming was justified. Like me saying that Ryse Son of Rome is a better game then Last of Us 2. Wrong on more then a few levels so yes I believe in using that word when it warrants it. 

Don`t matter what you believe, and yes you could truly believe Ryse is better than TLOU2 without being it. Also there is a difference between claiming a game released even if you think it is mediocre is better than an unreleased game from an unproven developer and what you done with Ryse and the game that is expected to be the best of the gen by many.

Quote 5: I was on Reddit mostly. But I have no issue saying that Xbox 1 botched their vision and limped ever since. Why would I self torture myself defending the console, I like to advocate for it when they are doing right things. Xbox X, BC and Game Pass really turned it around in my eyes.  

And why did you had difficult in being in VGC during that time? Wasn`t it because you couldn`t gloat? Even though now you are saying you have matured over it?



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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