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Forums - Sales Discussion - Total sell in for the PlayStation 4 has reached 108.9 million units as of December 31st 2019 While Game & Network Service Down 20%

Nu-13 said:
Pinkie_pie said:

You going with vgchartz number? If its closer to 49 million nintendo would and should announced over 48.5 million. Im assuming its under 48.5 million sold. 

Like when they did so with the wii that was at .8m?

Still that doesnt mean switch is at 48.8 million sold. Im still assuming its at around 48.5 so thats very close to 4 million on shelves. It could be over 4 million on shelves as well and we dont know that 



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colafitte said:
Nu-13 said:

My my. The switch was confortably up without the switch lite, which isn't even that popular. And that puts no perspective on ps4 sales, being two unrelated subjects.

Switch Lite ships 5M during 2019 at 100$ less and you sell only 2'5-3M more to consumers than the year before?? when everybody here was expecting to surpass 20M??, including me. You know that the last 2 or 3 months of the year are the ones really important to Nintendo consoles right?, Switch being 20% up compared to a disappointing first 9 months of 2018 was nothing to brag about. The reality is that if Switch sold 19M in 2019, it means it did around the same or worse than the last 3 months of 2018..., which i find disappointing.

"My my" indeed...

And lol about "two unrelated subjects"......Both are gaming consoles selling at comparative prices, being one twice as old as the other....but ey..., i already asked Nintendo fans to not be upset about my impressions, i won't insist anymore....

Already off to a bad start when talking about shipped as if they were sold through. Regular switch sales would have been higher in the absense of the lite (not a 1:1 ratio but still).



colafitte said:

I'm going to say it, please Nintendo fans, don't get mad at me, i'm just being honest: I'm as disappointed at that "low" number as i'm disappointed at myself with missing the correct number i predicted by more than 1M...yikes. And this is with Switch Lite shipping 5M during 2019 at 100$ less than the normal Switch. Without Switch Lite, Switch would had trouble even reaching 18M units sold.....mmmm. Surprising...

Just like the disappointing 2016 sales when the Slim & Pro models couldnt take PS4 over 17.5 million sold, only 100k higher than 2015.



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Pinkie_pie said:
Nu-13 said:

Like when they did so with the wii that was at .8m?

Still that doesnt mean switch is at 48.8 million sold. Im still assuming its at around 48.5 so thats very close to 4 million on shelves. It could be over 4 million on shelves as well and we dont know that 

If you're going to assume, don't make afirmative claims. You afirmed over 4m on shelves. And those few 100k don't matter in the slightest for the original discussion (that didn't even mention the switch, mind you).



Nu-13 said:
colafitte said:

Switch Lite ships 5M during 2019 at 100$ less and you sell only 2'5-3M more to consumers than the year before?? when everybody here was expecting to surpass 20M??, including me. You know that the last 2 or 3 months of the year are the ones really important to Nintendo consoles right?, Switch being 20% up compared to a disappointing first 9 months of 2018 was nothing to brag about. The reality is that if Switch sold 19M in 2019, it means it did around the same or worse than the last 3 months of 2018..., which i find disappointing.

"My my" indeed...

And lol about "two unrelated subjects"......Both are gaming consoles selling at comparative prices, being one twice as old as the other....but ey..., i already asked Nintendo fans to not be upset about my impressions, i won't insist anymore....

Already off to a bad start when talking about shipped as if they were sold through. Regular switch sales would have been higher in the absense of the lite (not a 1:1 ratio but still).

Not even close to 1:1, and no, i was not comparing shipped vs sold through. I said that Lite shipped 5M, so it should have sold to consumers, what?, 3M?, 4M? that means 15-16M units sold of regular Switch. Without Lite, how much more could have sold at 300$??, 2M-3M more??..., So yeah, there you have it, "fighting" to reach 18M units sold to consumers like i said....

zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

I'm going to say it, please Nintendo fans, don't get mad at me, i'm just being honest: I'm as disappointed at that "low" number as i'm disappointed at myself with missing the correct number i predicted by more than 1M...yikes. And this is with Switch Lite shipping 5M during 2019 at 100$ less than the normal Switch. Without Switch Lite, Switch would had trouble even reaching 18M units sold.....mmmm. Surprising...

Just like the disappointing 2016 sales when the Slim & Pro models couldnt take PS4 over 17.5 million sold, only 100k higher than 2015.

PS4 2016 was kind of disappointing yes, but you're comparing a console 100$ more expensive against one 100$ cheaper, and PS4 Pro did not shipped 5M in 2016 like Switch Lite did in 2019. So yeah...., both were kind of disappointing but i feel Switch in 2019 has been more disapponting that PS4 in 2016, because how many people did expect around 19M in 2019 in the end???, Come on people, don't act as this is not a surprising (disappointing) number....



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Nu-13 said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Still that doesnt mean switch is at 48.8 million sold. Im still assuming its at around 48.5 so thats very close to 4 million on shelves. It could be over 4 million on shelves as well and we dont know that 

If you're going to assume, don't make afirmative claims. You afirmed over 4m on shelves. And those few 100k don't matter in the slightest for the original discussion (that didn't even mention the switch, mind you).

And how would you know its not over 4 million on shelves? Dont make claims if you cant prove it to be true or not



HollyGamer said:
Keiji said:

The guy is obviously mad at PlayStation 4's success, that's all. Still I don't understand why there are still people mad at PlayStation's success since PS1, PS2, PS4 are all major success, they should be used to.

The pain is real man.

Exactly. The man should be happy about Switch's success. But no, he needs to be mad PS4's sucess.

Imagine how he will be when PS4 will be above Game Boy.


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colafitte said:

18M is what they will aim and expect in my opinion, but I won't be surprised if it's even less than that this year in the end.

Switch is around 32m shipped and 3ds was around 29m shipped in the same time frame, and next year 3ds sales were not better that year even with yokai watch, Pokémon, luigi's mansion, monster hunter games that year.

People have to remember that when you launch a console in March, its 3rd calendar year has already around 6 or 7 months more than other consoles launched in the holiday season, so they already have much time in existence by the time. Switch is not going to go way up after so much time and so many games already. A flat year is more probable than a 20M+ year.

So, yes I voted 18M shipped. A very good number if it becames true. It will allow Switch still being one of the fastest consoles ever.

colafitte said:
Nu-13 said:

Already off to a bad start when talking about shipped as if they were sold through. Regular switch sales would have been higher in the absense of the lite (not a 1:1 ratio but still).

Not even close to 1:1, and no, i was not comparing shipped vs sold through. I said that Lite shipped 5M, so it should have sold to consumers, what?, 3M?, 4M? that means 15-16M units sold of regular Switch. Without Lite, how much more could have sold at 300$??, 2M-3M more??..., So yeah, there you have it, "fighting" to reach 18M units sold to consumers like i said....

zorg1000 said:

Just like the disappointing 2016 sales when the Slim & Pro models couldnt take PS4 over 17.5 million sold, only 100k higher than 2015.

PS4 2016 was kind of disappointing yes, but you're comparing a console 100$ more expensive against one 100$ cheaper, and PS4 Pro did not shipped 5M in 2016 like Switch Lite did in 2019. So yeah...., both were kind of disappointing but i feel Switch in 2019 has been more disapponting that PS4 in 2016, because how many people did expect around 19M in 2019 in the end???, Come on people, don't act as this is not a surprising (disappointing) number....

Hmm, it's literally what you expected but now it's all of a sudden a disappointment......



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Pinkie_pie said:
Nu-13 said:

If you're going to assume, don't make afirmative claims. You afirmed over 4m on shelves. And those few 100k don't matter in the slightest for the original discussion (that didn't even mention the switch, mind you).

And how would you know its not over 4 million on shelves? Dont make claims if you cant prove it to be true or not

I'm using vgc numbers and you're the one who started this. I didn't even mention the switch.



zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

18M is what they will aim and expect in my opinion, but I won't be surprised if it's even less than that this year in the end.

Switch is around 32m shipped and 3ds was around 29m shipped in the same time frame, and next year 3ds sales were not better that year even with yokai watch, Pokémon, luigi's mansion, monster hunter games that year.

People have to remember that when you launch a console in March, its 3rd calendar year has already around 6 or 7 months more than other consoles launched in the holiday season, so they already have much time in existence by the time. Switch is not going to go way up after so much time and so many games already. A flat year is more probable than a 20M+ year.

So, yes I voted 18M shipped. A very good number if it becames true. It will allow Switch still being one of the fastest consoles ever.

colafitte said:

Not even close to 1:1, and no, i was not comparing shipped vs sold through. I said that Lite shipped 5M, so it should have sold to consumers, what?, 3M?, 4M? that means 15-16M units sold of regular Switch. Without Lite, how much more could have sold at 300$??, 2M-3M more??..., So yeah, there you have it, "fighting" to reach 18M units sold to consumers like i said....

PS4 2016 was kind of disappointing yes, but you're comparing a console 100$ more expensive against one 100$ cheaper, and PS4 Pro did not shipped 5M in 2016 like Switch Lite did in 2019. So yeah...., both were kind of disappointing but i feel Switch in 2019 has been more disapponting that PS4 in 2016, because how many people did expect around 19M in 2019 in the end???, Come on people, don't act as this is not a surprising (disappointing) number....

Hmm, it's literally what you expected but now it's all of a sudden a disappointment......

Thank you for the reminder..., but that was when??, in January 2019??? (and i always said that i made my predictions based on official announcments, so i didn't count then any price cuts of revisions), When the FY ended and started this new one, i said then that i was surprised about Switch performance and that Switch was doing better than i expected. That feeling lasted from March to October and November, the moment when i definitively made my prediction about Switch doing 20-20'5M units sold to consumers after Lite was announced.

The disappointment comes after knowing Normal Switch was 20% up YOY compared to 2018 during first half of 2019 before Lite was announced and that it would probably only sold around 10% more in the end (if Lite didn't existed and the 18M would become true).

What that post proves is that i was better at predicting at the end of 2018 and start of 2019 than i was months later or right now..... I need to stick more to my instincts it seems....

Last edited by colafitte - on 04 February 2020