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Lonely_Dolphin on 19 February 2020
Slownenberg said:

A lot wrong in your comment, but the main point being: Nintendo doesn't care what you want, that IS your problem. They care about what is going to make the most sense from a business perspective. Mario Kart 9 on the Switch would be a pretty stupid decision, which Zorg pointed out very clearly. It's not Nintendo's problem that you don't understand that.

I guess BotW2 is a pretty stupid decision too then. Prioritizing sequels to your biggest sellers over smaller/uncertain sellers is just terrible business sense.



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Jumpin on 24 February 2020
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Slownenberg said:

A lot wrong in your comment, but the main point being: Nintendo doesn't care what you want, that IS your problem. They care about what is going to make the most sense from a business perspective. Mario Kart 9 on the Switch would be a pretty stupid decision, which Zorg pointed out very clearly. It's not Nintendo's problem that you don't understand that.

I guess BotW2 is a pretty stupid decision too then. Prioritizing sequels to your biggest sellers over smaller/uncertain sellers is just terrible business sense.

To me, the differences are stunningly obvious in terms of business sense.

Mario Kart 9 just cannibalizes Mario Kart 8 and splits the userbase. About 1/3rd of new Switch users are going to buy Mario Kart 8, and maintaining the existing userbase will encourage those sales to continue.

Breath of the Wild 2 is a sequel that takes what the original built and creates a second adventure. It adds to the original rather than replaces it. It might even increase the sales of the original for those who don't have either but want to play both.

Mario Kart 9 would also be the perfect game to launch the next console.

But in short, Mario Kart 9 replaces Mario Kart 8. Breath of the Wild 2 is a companion to Breath of the Wild 1.



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Pemalite on 24 February 2020
NightlyPoe said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

I guess BotW2 is a pretty stupid decision too then. Prioritizing sequels to your biggest sellers over smaller/uncertain sellers is just terrible business sense.

BotW 2 makes perfect sense.  While BotW sales remain solid, they've tapered off to a much greater extent than Mario Kart 8.  Furthermore, they're reusing assets instead of making a full-blown new game.  It's more akin to Mario Galaxy 2.

Furthermore, and this is a big thing that I haven't seen anyone mention, by holding off on Mario Kart 9, Nintendo will have the opportunity to launch their next console with a brand-new Mario Kart.  Which is, if you think about it, the single perfect launch game for Nintendo.  It's their highest selling IP, it's their most evergreen title so it will continue to sell throughout the generation, and its popularity is broad across almost all ranges of gamers.

If Nintendo were to launch a Mario Kart game this year, it would sell great, but holding off until 2023 means the launch of their next console will be a guaranteed immediate success.

* Nintendo can still release Mario Kart 10 for next-gen if they released a Mario Kart 9 now.
* Mario Kart 9 can reused Mario Kart 8's assets.

Breath of the Wild is still selling fantastically, but even with good sales, Nintendo announced a sequel.

What you can do for one, you can do for the other.



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Nu-13 on 24 February 2020
Pemalite said:
NightlyPoe said:

BotW 2 makes perfect sense.  While BotW sales remain solid, they've tapered off to a much greater extent than Mario Kart 8.  Furthermore, they're reusing assets instead of making a full-blown new game.  It's more akin to Mario Galaxy 2.

Furthermore, and this is a big thing that I haven't seen anyone mention, by holding off on Mario Kart 9, Nintendo will have the opportunity to launch their next console with a brand-new Mario Kart.  Which is, if you think about it, the single perfect launch game for Nintendo.  It's their highest selling IP, it's their most evergreen title so it will continue to sell throughout the generation, and its popularity is broad across almost all ranges of gamers.

If Nintendo were to launch a Mario Kart game this year, it would sell great, but holding off until 2023 means the launch of their next console will be a guaranteed immediate success.

* Nintendo can still release Mario Kart 10 for next-gen if they released a Mario Kart 9 now.
* Mario Kart 9 can reuse Mario Kart 8's assets.

Breath of the Wild is still selling fantastically, but even with good sales, Nintendo announced a sequel.

What you can do for one, you can do for the other.

Of course they can. But they won't because because it makes no business sense.

Botw2 doesn't make botw redundant. No comparison between the two examples.



Pemalite on 24 February 2020
NightlyPoe said:

Of course they can release one next generation if they release one now.  But they won't have time and they won't want to overexpose the IP to release one for launch if they do so.

Nah.
Call of Duty, Halo, Assassins Creed, Battlefield and so much more do frequent game releases and still sell 10's of millions of copies.

NightlyPoe said:

Sure, but they won't.  It's been 6 years.  The next game will almost certainly be a built from the ground up.

I would damn well hope so. Mario Kart 8 isn't using the Switch's hardware to it's fullest extent being a port from the WiiU.

NightlyPoe said:

As already stated, the sales have slowed down a lot in comparison to Mario Kart, which, if I'm not mistaken, has actually accelerated in sales each year.  Further, Zelda isn't a racing game.  The sales won't cannibalize each other in the same way.  The original BotW will continue to sell well.

It's still selling well, despite slowing sales. - But the announcement for the sequel came 9~ months ago.

NightlyPoe said:

Of course they "can".  But it doesn't make any sense for them to do so.

Well, if it gives a fervor for people to rush over and buy a Switch... I would argue the opposite.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 25 February 2020
Nu-13 said:
Pemalite said:

* Nintendo can still release Mario Kart 10 for next-gen if they released a Mario Kart 9 now.
* Mario Kart 9 can reuse Mario Kart 8's assets.

Breath of the Wild is still selling fantastically, but even with good sales, Nintendo announced a sequel.

What you can do for one, you can do for the other.

Of course they can. But they won't because because it makes no business sense.

Botw2 doesn't make botw redundant. No comparison between the two examples.

Business sense means whatever makes the most money, and Mario Kart sells more than basically everything else. To make another game when you could have made Mario Kart means you're not making as much money as you could. That's definitely not good business sense. I very obviously am not saying Nintendo should only make Mario Kart games so don't even try to go there!

These arbitrary rules, excuses, and assumptions to say otherwise like cannibalizing and "but it's a kart racer so it wont be that new" are definitely not coming from a business perspective. Such things are irrelevant, only sales matter. Thus the comparison with BotW is totally accurate as they're both big sellers who's sales demand a sequel both to please the fans and Nintendo's wallet.



Nu-13 on 25 February 2020
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Nu-13 said:

Of course they can. But they won't because because it makes no business sense.

Botw2 doesn't make botw redundant. No comparison between the two examples.

Business sense means whatever makes the most money, and Mario Kart sells more than basically everything else. To make another game when you could have made Mario Kart means you're not making as much money as you could. That's definitely not good business sense. I very obviously am not saying Nintendo should only make Mario Kart games so don't even try to go there!

These arbitrary rules, excuses, and assumptions to say otherwise like cannibalizing and "but it's a kart racer so it wont be that new" are definitely not coming from a business perspective. Such things are irrelevant, only sales matter. Thus the comparison with BotW is totally accurate as they're both big sellers who's sales demand a sequel both to please the fans and Nintendo's wallet.

MK8D on switch and MK9 as a launch tittle for the switch 2 is what makes the most money for the franchise.



Pemalite on 25 February 2020
NightlyPoe said:

Nintendo isn't going to follow that model.  And we're all happy about it.

That is your opinion, others may simply and respectfully disagree.

Many Nintendo franchises are just a yearly rehash of an older title... Like every Pokemon ever.

NightlyPoe said:

Then why'd you bring it up?

Because I can? It's called conversation, I am not beholden to you to get my posts approved you know.

NightlyPoe said:
It's still selling well, despite slowing sales. - But the announcement for the sequel came 9~ months ago.

And?  I don't see your point.

That you can announce a new game, not impact sales significantly?

There is also the potential for deep bundling later on, bundle Breath of the Wild 1 with the sequel and throw that at a few console bundles to bolster sales, it's not a complex premise.

NightlyPoe said:

Well, if it gives a fervor for people to rush over and buy a Switch... I would argue the opposite.

People are already rushing to buy a Switch.  Using it as a launch title for the Switch's successor is much more valuable than nominally goosing the sales of a console selling 20 million units a year already.

Sales can still be higher. Hence my point.
Plus Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum, especially as we are on the cusp of Next-Gen with all eyes on Sony and Microsoft.

Lonely_Dolphin said:

Business sense means whatever makes the most money, and Mario Kart sells more than basically everything else. To make another game when you could have made Mario Kart means you're not making as much money as you could. That's definitely not good business sense. I very obviously am not saying Nintendo should only make Mario Kart games so don't even try to go there!

These arbitrary rules, excuses, and assumptions to say otherwise like cannibalizing and "but it's a kart racer so it wont be that new" are definitely not coming from a business perspective. Such things are irrelevant, only sales matter. Thus the comparison with BotW is totally accurate as they're both big sellers who's sales demand a sequel both to please the fans and Nintendo's wallet.

Nintendo can use the bundling example that I provided above as a way to value-incentivize the next release and drive higher sales.

Nu-13 said:

MK8D on switch and MK9 as a launch tittle for the switch 2 is what makes the most money for the franchise.

Mario Kart 8's sales might decline before Switch 2 is out, if that ends up even being a console.



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Nu-13 on 25 February 2020
Pemalite said:
NightlyPoe said:

Nintendo isn't going to follow that model.  And we're all happy about it.

NightlyPoe said:

Then why'd you bring it up?

NightlyPoe said:
It's still selling well, despite slowing sales. - But the announcement for the sequel came 9~ months ago.

And? I don't see your point.

NightlyPoe said:

Well, if it gives a fervor for people to rush over and buy a Switch... I would argue the opposite.

People are already rushing to buy a Switch.  Using it as a launch title for the Switch's successor is much more valuable than nominally goosing the sales of a console selling 20 million units a year already.

Lonely_Dolphin said:

Business sense means whatever makes the most money, and Mario Kart sells more than basically everything else. To make another game when you could have made Mario Kart means you're not making as much money as you could. That's definitely not good business sense. I very obviously am not saying Nintendo should only make Mario Kart games so don't even try to go there!

These arbitrary rules, excuses, and assumptions to say otherwise like cannibalizing and "but it's a kart racer so it wont be that new" are definitely not coming from a business perspective. Such things are irrelevant, only sales matter. Thus the comparison with BotW is totally accurate as they're both big sellers who's sales demand a sequel both to please the fans and Nintendo's wallet.

Nu-13 said:

MK8D on switch and MK9 as a launch tittle for the switch 2 is what makes the most money for the franchise.

Mario Kart 8's sales might decline before Switch 2 is out, if that ends up even being a console.

If it ends up being a console? The hell is that supposed to mean?

Of course sales will decline. So what? It simply doesn't make sense to release a reduntant MK9 on switch. It's efficiency will be maximized as a launch tittle for the switch 2. The impact of a brand new MK at the switch 2's launch would be greatly diminished by a redundant brand new MK releasing 2 years prior.



Lonely_Dolphin on 25 February 2020
Nu-13 said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Business sense means whatever makes the most money, and Mario Kart sells more than basically everything else. To make another game when you could have made Mario Kart means you're not making as much money as you could. That's definitely not good business sense. I very obviously am not saying Nintendo should only make Mario Kart games so don't even try to go there!

These arbitrary rules, excuses, and assumptions to say otherwise like cannibalizing and "but it's a kart racer so it wont be that new" are definitely not coming from a business perspective. Such things are irrelevant, only sales matter. Thus the comparison with BotW is totally accurate as they're both big sellers who's sales demand a sequel both to please the fans and Nintendo's wallet.

MK8D on switch and MK9 as a launch tittle for the switch 2 is what makes the most money for the franchise.

Another MK now and then another for the next system makes more money.