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KLXVER said:
RolStoppable said:

Nintendo's magic trick is to advertise the games they release on Switch, that's why even their ports of old games do so well.

True, but they could have more than 3 Directs a year to help hype up some of the bigger third party games. They make money on them too after all. 

I am not talking about the limited reach of Directs, but TV commercials. Nintendo lets the masses know that Donkey Kong Country and Captain Toad are on Switch, for example.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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What is the part about 'brainwashed' exactly getting at? I mean Nintendo games are fairly different in types. I mean I alone have Splatoon 2, Breath of the Wild, Mario Od, Smash, and Fire Emblem on high playcounts, also Pokemon.

That's several genres...heck I have several other series from other developers. Even Overwatch, and that seems to get plenty of players on it given it doesn't crossplay. Activision might be horrible, but at least they seem to be up for supporting the thing as part of their 'release less' plans.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

True, but they could have more than 3 Directs a year to help hype up some of the bigger third party games. They make money on them too after all. 

I am not talking about the limited reach of Directs, but TV commercials. Nintendo lets the masses know that Donkey Kong Country and Captain Toad are on Switch, for example.

I would say TV has the limited reach at this point. Im 38 and don't watch TV anymore. Not sure many younger gamers do either at this point. 

Anyway, third parties usually include that a game is on the Switch as well in their commercials on YouTube, Twitter and game sites, so I don't see what else they could do tbh.



KLXVER said:
RolStoppable said:

I am not talking about the limited reach of Directs, but TV commercials. Nintendo lets the masses know that Donkey Kong Country and Captain Toad are on Switch, for example.

I would say TV has the limited reach at this point. Im 38 and don't watch TV anymore. Not sure many younger gamers do either at this point. 

Anyway, third parties usually include that a game is on the Switch as well in their commercials on YouTube, Twitter and game sites, so I don't see what else they could do tbh.

The TV remains the most popular babysitter, that's why even commercial breaks between kids shows include advertising targeted at children and adults alike.

Third parties adding a Switch logo to a general commercial isn't much of an effort and it's something that is barely noticed. If they want to raise awareness, they should show people who play their game(s) on Switch.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

I would say TV has the limited reach at this point. Im 38 and don't watch TV anymore. Not sure many younger gamers do either at this point. 

Anyway, third parties usually include that a game is on the Switch as well in their commercials on YouTube, Twitter and game sites, so I don't see what else they could do tbh.

The TV remains the most popular babysitter, that's why even commercial breaks between kids shows include advertising targeted at children and adults alike.

Third parties adding a Switch logo to a general commercial isn't much of an effort and it's something that is barely noticed. If they want to raise awareness, they should show people who play their game(s) on Switch.

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.



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This whole things reeks of this:

Bethesda, Konami and Activision: We will beat EA as being the worst videogame company on earth!

EA: Hold my beer.



KLXVER said:

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.

You summed up the attitude of third parties pretty well. Nintendo is supposed to do the work for third parties to make third parties make more money whereas on other consoles third parties know no restraints to do the work themselves.

There would be nothing silly about making a dedicated Switch commercial. A Switch version adds the value of portability to any game by default, so that's what justifies the effort of making a special commercial.

Nintendo won't care if the big third parties don't want to make money on Switch because Nintendo makes big bucks without them. Another factor is that the absence/reluctance of the big third parties puts more of the spotlight on smaller third parties, including indies, who are happy about less competition and laugh all the way to the bank.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club

KLXVER said:

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.

It's not Nintendo's job to do the work that companies should be doing themselves if you decide to push your game on another platform you can't complain when you get less sales on a rival one, if you can't be bothered to push your own product don't expect someone else to do it look at the developer of Hollow Knight they put in the work after getting the same informal promotion like anyone else and almost half their sales have com on Switch as a result.

Even the complaint about Nintendo games selling well itself is a smoke screen as you don't need to sell 5/10m -15/20m to be doing well.



RolStoppable said:
KLXVER said:

Well you could say the same about them only showing some PS4 logo then. Although showing the PS4 or XB1 version of the game is probably a better idea than showing the Switch version. They cant really make different commercials for all the different versions. That would be silly. Nintendo should step up and start hyping some third parties instead of informing us of third party games in the tone you would inform people to remember their flu shots.

You summed up the attitude of third parties pretty well. Nintendo is supposed to do the work for third parties to make third parties make more money whereas on other consoles third parties know no restraints to do the work themselves.

There would be nothing silly about making a dedicated Switch commercial. A Switch version adds the value of portability to any game by default, so that's what justifies the effort of making a special commercial.

Nintendo won't care if the big third parties don't want to make money on Switch because Nintendo makes big bucks without them. Another factor is that the absence/reluctance of the big third parties puts more of the spotlight on smaller third parties, including indies, who are happy about less competition and laugh all the way to the bank.

The lack of third parties on Nintendo platforms are primarily Nintendos fault, so helping third parties shine is something they could damn well do a better job at. You say that Nintendo makes big bucks without them, yet we can go back 3 years and see that they had a hard time making the big bucks on their own IPs alone. Look at Sony and MS. They give third parties almost just as much attention as their own titles. Nintendo doesn't. That's why we get a 30 second announcements for a third party game, then 20 minutes of footage from Mario Tennis in their Directs. If they want third parties on their platform, then they have to put in the work and help out wherever they can.



If Nintendo had used the Mariko chip that is in current Switch units they could have had a 393 GFLOP undocked (@ 3-4 hours) and 600 GFLOP docked performance, which probably would have put a lot more XB1/PS4 games in play for the Switch. They probably could have doubled the memory bandwidth to 50GB/sec too which makes a large difference. That's a performance envelope where porting those types of higher end games becomes much more managable.

197GF undocked + 394 GF docked because you're on the old 20nm process that runs too hot is really pushing it for a lot of developers, certain games can be ported but it requires a lot of effort and time and most devs don't bother.

It's not just EA, Japanese devs actually have been pretty much the worst. Where's Soul Calibur VI or Tekken, Namco? These guys will accept jobs to work on Smash Bros. for Nintendo but they're not willing to even bring a Soul Calibur over. Capcom's support has been abysmal. Square-Enix has been alright, but a crappy smartphone port of FFXV, no Kingdom Hearts 3, DQXI took a long time, etc. Even if these ports come they'll be very old by the time they do arrive at this rate.

Nintendo fans do play 3rd party games ... they just buy a Playstation and play them there. It's just something that's been reinforced since the N64 era and by now it's hard to get people to change from that view, which is another problem.