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Should Nintendo stick with hybrids?

Yes 19 82.61%
 
No 4 17.39%
 
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oniyide said:
Its not like they were putting out powerful systems in the last couple of years anyway

True...

And assuming you meant in the last couple generations, cause last couple years there's just been the Switch Lite, the thing is, whatever choice they would have made for a dedicated or hybrid handheld in the last couple generations, it would never have been as powerful as their dedicated home systems counterparts and this is easily demonstrated as in the last couple generations (Wii and Wii U) there was indeed a handheld available, the 3DS or the DS? Can't remember, but the point is, I don't need to go check specs to know that the Wii and Wii U were more powerful than the handheld systems Nintendo had on sale back in those days.

A dedicated home system will always have a significant raw power advantage over a handheld at the cost of portability whereas a handheld device will always have a portability advantage at the cost of raw power.



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Neither Sony or Nintendo will be making two distinct platforms ever again I don't think (as in console + separate handheld).

It's too cost and resource intensive to support two platforms anymore.

Handhelds used to have far more primitive technology but today handhelds can run even modern games like The Witcher 3 and soon will have chips that can easily run PS4/XB1 tier content, the iPad Pro released in 2018 already matches an XBox One S. And every year that tech gets better and better. 

This is not like 2004 where DS games ran at N64 level at best and games could be made by 15-25 people primarily.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
oniyide said:
Its not like they were putting out powerful systems in the last couple of years anyway

True...

And assuming you meant in the last couple generations, cause last couple years there's just been the Switch Lite, the thing is, whatever choice they would have made for a dedicated or hybrid handheld in the last couple generations, it would never have been as powerful as their dedicated home systems counterparts and this is easily demonstrated as in the last couple generations (Wii and Wii U) there was indeed a handheld available, the 3DS or the DS? Can't remember, but the point is, I don't need to go check specs to know that the Wii and Wii U were more powerful than the handheld systems Nintendo had on sale back in those days.

A dedicated home system will always have a significant raw power advantage over a handheld at the cost of portability whereas a handheld device will always have a portability advantage at the cost of raw power.

Why compare a home console to and handheld one? of course home consoles will be more powerful. You should compare the home consoles to other home consoles, which Ninty has been falling way behind since Wii. Which wasnt a problem because that was their best selling home console. Money talks and the money says they no longer need to make a powerful home console. Hell Switch passed Xbox one. Power doesnt mean anything to Nintendo and I think people need to accept that.



Pemalite said:
padib said:

That would be absolute monetary suicide.

Even the biggest companies that tried to release a smart TV (Google, Sony) failed because it is just a bad product case.

Iwata never mentioned anything like a smart TV. He was comparing more with Apple products, such as the Apple TV, the ipad, iphone, ipod.

Smart TV is a whole television screen with intelligence inside. That can't be done by Nintendo because they will get massacred by Samsung and the other big ones, the same ones who beat Sony out of their own bread and butter.

If by smart tv you mean a smart box that plugs into the tv like an apple tv or a chromecast, then that would be okay.

Can't really compare it to a Smart TV or an Apple TV.

Nintendo is clearly making the Switch a "Platform" rather than a singular device concept.

You have a dedicated handheld, you can have a dedicated home console... And you can have a device that can be both... And the ONE single game can play across them all... Which lets face it, one physical game for all your platforms is a pretty attractive prospect, don't you think?

Definitely agreed. The common library of the NX was what I believed to be its winning factor when it was understood in 2011 (I believe) with the merging of Nintendo's console and portable development locations.

So in theory, a smart TV could use the common architecture as the Switch Lite, as the Switch, and as a hypothetical Switch TV, but it wouldn't be financially sound. The reason is that a smart TV is currently dominated by Samsung, LG and a handful of others.

But I think Tomatito meant just a Switch TV not a Smart TV, meaning a type of book-sized or ipod-sized device you plug into a TV like the Playstation TV, the Apple TV or the Chromecast.

I am of the same idea as you, so long as the console can play the same games, and perhaps unlock some performance features due to either being more modern (newer tech or less space required), then it is an excellent business case.

It would look a lot more like what we see on PCs, where you can set your graphic settings, only that the settings would be pre-determined by the Switch model itself. (framerate, resolution, anti-aliasing, etc.)

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On the topic of sales vs success: you and I agree, success is defined by the quality of the software library and the following a console had. Unfortunately that is not true for the industry. Partners will gravitate around your console so long as it generated profit for all parties involved. And from that vantage point, my hierarchy was true.



oniyide said:
Why compare a home console to and handheld one? of course home consoles will be more powerful. You should compare the home consoles to other home consoles, which Ninty has been falling way behind since Wii. Which wasnt a problem because that was their best selling home console. Money talks and the money says they no longer need to make a powerful home console. Hell Switch passed Xbox one. Power doesnt mean anything to Nintendo and I think people need to accept that.

Are you really asking why? Isn't it obvious? Ok then let me say it, because Nintendo put together a system that is both handheld and home oriented, therefore a comparison is immediately the logical thing to do. Before the Switch ever existed your point would have been valid but not now, I'm afraid.

Also you are either ignoring what I said or you did not understand what I said. My point is clear, whatever power the Switch has, it would be way more powerful (without necessarily being PS4 Pro or Xbox One X levels of power) had it been a dedicated home console, that's a fact and that's my point too.

Money talks? Yes it does, but again that's not the issue here, I'm pretty sure this thread is about opinions not financial analyses and my opinion is that a dedicated system is better than a hybrid because of its intrinsic limitations not suiting my expectation.

Also you admit yourself that the Wii is their best selling system and please remind me, what is the Wii, a hybrid? Nope, it's a DEDICATED HOME SYSTEM? So you may not want to bring the Wii as an argument to defend a hybrid system.

And finally, what do you mean people need to accept that? No they don't. Capitalism with all its flaws is a system where someone sells you something and you are free to buy it or not. Nobody needs to accept and be forced to go with the flow if it's not what they want. And of all people, telling ME that I must accept something, anything??? I'm literally the last person to be told that I MUST accept something without questioning it. I was born with a handicap, a really bad one for others to force anything on me, what's that handicap called again? ... Oh yes, a BRAIN!