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starcraft said:
I didn't follow the development very closely, so I can't speak to whether they overpromised.

I am playing through Reforged's campaign though and it is the same top notch game with better graphics and a few other minor improvements. Which is sort of what I felt I was promised?

My views on this have evolved.

I was close to the end of the Warcraft 3 campaign (so, had not started Frozen Throne), when it truly started to sink in just how little they had changed/improved. There is a map in the human campaign that is largely reversed because its layout is different in World of Warcraft (never played WoW, had just read about it). It was SO much fun. They didn't do anything too it except change the layout a bit and it was a massive improvement and new experience. It puts in contrast just how little value the remaster adds.

I hadn't even begun the multiplayer with all the issues people were reporting.

So, instead of playing on, I got a refund. When I did that, I immediately lost access to the game, to discover that my copy of Warcraft 3 classic had had its progress over-ridden - I need to replay the campaign. I did start that, and it took me a while to realise the graphics were old, so minimal are the improvements.

I think gamers need to take a share of blame as well. Reading more about the development now, at multiple points we demanded "make it new, give us more, but don't change anything." We stupidly protested the idea they wouldn't use the original voices, that they might change story elements, that balance might be addressed. I can't fully blame Blizzard for being too nervous to change anything. I can blame them for charging $45AUD for changing nothing.



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starcraft said:
starcraft said:
I didn't follow the development very closely, so I can't speak to whether they overpromised.

I am playing through Reforged's campaign though and it is the same top notch game with better graphics and a few other minor improvements. Which is sort of what I felt I was promised?

My views on this have evolved.

I was close to the end of the Warcraft 3 campaign (so, had not started Frozen Throne), when it truly started to sink in just how little they had changed/improved. There is a map in the human campaign that is largely reversed because its layout is different in World of Warcraft (never played WoW, had just read about it). It was SO much fun. They didn't do anything too it except change the layout a bit and it was a massive improvement and new experience. It puts in contrast just how little value the remaster adds.

I hadn't even begun the multiplayer with all the issues people were reporting.

So, instead of playing on, I got a refund. When I did that, I immediately lost access to the game, to discover that my copy of Warcraft 3 classic had had its progress over-ridden - I need to replay the campaign. I did start that, and it took me a while to realise the graphics were old, so minimal are the improvements.

I think gamers need to take a share of blame as well. Reading more about the development now, at multiple points we demanded "make it new, give us more, but don't change anything." We stupidly protested the idea they wouldn't use the original voices, that they might change story elements, that balance might be addressed. I can't fully blame Blizzard for being too nervous to change anything. I can blame them for charging $45AUD for changing nothing.

Not once did I suggest that they keep the old voices or graphics.


What people wanted was for the original game to be left well alone, and for the new game to be the remaster. 


Those wanting the remaster to be some fucked up spawn of satan are well in the minority, and not the people anyone should at all be listening to.

At this point, a massive chunk of the blame goes to Blizzard here, not 50/50. Their new ToS also has zilch to do with fan demands either, and that ToS change alone makes it all criminal, because that's born out of subjective and petty hate for having lost out on Dota, which is entirely only on them, not us. A company acting so childishly petty because they didn't get the second best Moba is something no one should forget, not excuse and lump some blame on the fans. Any company acting in that matter is disgusting as shit.



                                       

Chazore said:
starcraft said:

My views on this have evolved.

I was close to the end of the Warcraft 3 campaign (so, had not started Frozen Throne), when it truly started to sink in just how little they had changed/improved. There is a map in the human campaign that is largely reversed because its layout is different in World of Warcraft (never played WoW, had just read about it). It was SO much fun. They didn't do anything too it except change the layout a bit and it was a massive improvement and new experience. It puts in contrast just how little value the remaster adds.

I hadn't even begun the multiplayer with all the issues people were reporting.

So, instead of playing on, I got a refund. When I did that, I immediately lost access to the game, to discover that my copy of Warcraft 3 classic had had its progress over-ridden - I need to replay the campaign. I did start that, and it took me a while to realise the graphics were old, so minimal are the improvements.

I think gamers need to take a share of blame as well. Reading more about the development now, at multiple points we demanded "make it new, give us more, but don't change anything." We stupidly protested the idea they wouldn't use the original voices, that they might change story elements, that balance might be addressed. I can't fully blame Blizzard for being too nervous to change anything. I can blame them for charging $45AUD for changing nothing.

Not once did I suggest that they keep the old voices or graphics.

What people wanted was for the original game to be left well alone, and for the new game to be the remaster. 

Those wanting the remaster to be some fucked up spawn of satan are well in the minority, and not the people anyone should at all be listening to.

At this point, a massive chunk of the blame goes to Blizzard here, not 50/50. Their new ToS also has zilch to do with fan demands either, and that ToS change alone makes it all criminal, because that's born out of subjective and petty hate for having lost out on Dota, which is entirely only on them, not us. A company acting so childishly petty because they didn't get the second best Moba is something no one should forget, not excuse and lump some blame on the fans. Any company acting in that matter is disgusting as shit.

I get the sense you took this post as directed at you - it wasn't. I haven't read your above posts, was commenting on things I read elsewhere when I started wondering why I was playing the identical game in higher resolution.



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Still don’t actually own Warcraft 3, so I might get it. I don’t own Any of the Starcraft 2 either. I played Warcraft 3 back in the day on my brothers computer. I just don’t play much on my pc these days...



starcraft said:

I get the sense you took this post as directed at you - it wasn't. I haven't read your above posts, was commenting on things I read elsewhere when I started wondering why I was playing the identical game in higher resolution.

Not at all, but I find it highly illogical to even think it's fair to blame consumers, when in reality, it was up to the billion dollar company to make a small game a reality. The fact it couldn't do something other studios have done with relative ease just shows they are woefully incompetent, but to put some blame on consumers for their shitty output just seems, ignorant of the big picture?.

Like I get a small, very, very small number demanded the game become some warped spawn of satan, but really, like I said before, no one should ever be listening to that minority, instead listening to those of us who just wanted a remaster, new cut scenes, voice cast from WoW, higher frame rate for units, custom maps being untouched, and support for the older game. Hardly a majority wanted the game warped, with old pieces staying and some slight new aspects being added.

A lot of what has transpired falls directly on Blizzard, from the refunds to the fact that the game's start menu isn't even a core part of the game itself, and that it requires a whole CPU core, while using it well above it's normal utilisation.

I'd say CoD's and Creeds being spammed yearly, being charged for more, being heavily watered down and littered with MT's, are more the fault of both consumer and company, because fans accept crap like that, while fans waiting for one game for 18 YEARS, just wanted one quality remaster, and they couldn't even get that. 



                                       

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gergroy said:
Still don’t actually own Warcraft 3, so I might get it. I don’t own Any of the Starcraft 2 either. I played Warcraft 3 back in the day on my brothers computer. I just don’t play much on my pc these days...

I'd recommend PC as a platform the are a lot more viable components to build a good PC that can run most modern games on high plus you don't need to build it in one go just get the parts over a period of time.



Chazore said:
starcraft said:

I get the sense you took this post as directed at you - it wasn't. I haven't read your above posts, was commenting on things I read elsewhere when I started wondering why I was playing the identical game in higher resolution.

Not at all, but I find it highly illogical to even think it's fair to blame consumers, when in reality, it was up to the billion dollar company to make a small game a reality. The fact it couldn't do something other studios have done with relative ease just shows they are woefully incompetent, but to put some blame on consumers for their shitty output just seems, ignorant of the big picture?.

Like I get a small, very, very small number demanded the game become some warped spawn of satan, but really, like I said before, no one should ever be listening to that minority, instead listening to those of us who just wanted a remaster, new cut scenes, voice cast from WoW, higher frame rate for units, custom maps being untouched, and support for the older game. Hardly a majority wanted the game warped, with old pieces staying and some slight new aspects being added.

A lot of what has transpired falls directly on Blizzard, from the refunds to the fact that the game's start menu isn't even a core part of the game itself, and that it requires a whole CPU core, while using it well above it's normal utilisation.

I'd say CoD's and Creeds being spammed yearly, being charged for more, being heavily watered down and littered with MT's, are more the fault of both consumer and company, because fans accept crap like that, while fans waiting for one game for 18 YEARS, just wanted one quality remaster, and they couldn't even get that. 

I think most post put the overwhelming majority of the blame at Blizzards feet.

Essentially my point is that a whole bunch of people thought they wanted a remaster but mostly they just wanted more people to come back and play regular old Warcraft 3 with them - if you're right they are a minority, well, Blizzard listened to that minority. Which was stupid.



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Wyrdness said:
gergroy said:
Still don’t actually own Warcraft 3, so I might get it. I don’t own Any of the Starcraft 2 either. I played Warcraft 3 back in the day on my brothers computer. I just don’t play much on my pc these days...

I'd recommend PC as a platform the are a lot more viable components to build a good PC that can run most modern games on high plus you don't need to build it in one go just get the parts over a period of time.

I already have a gaming pc, I just don’t use it much.  Not much of a fan of the mouse and keyboard interface.



gergroy said:

I already have a gaming pc, I just don’t use it much.  Not much of a fan of the mouse and keyboard interface.

If you have Steam plug in any controller it has the drivers to utilize them.



Wyrdness said:
gergroy said:

I already have a gaming pc, I just don’t use it much.  Not much of a fan of the mouse and keyboard interface.

If you have Steam plug in any controller it has the drivers to utilize them.

Yeah for any game that's not a FPS or RTS, I just plug in my PS4 controller and it works like a charm.



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