Wrong. SEGA fans are. They still have dedicated forums to hardware. Still make games for Genesis and Dreamcast. Still run servers for Dreamcast online games. Neo Geo fans are right behind. Then Nintendo fans as they stuck around during the Wii U. Loyalty is truly tested in hardship. Sony doesn't have loyalty. They have a cult of personality.

Dulfite said: HollyGamer said: Someone need to make seperate  thread , This is interesting  No good can come of that thread.

It will be a battle and hell for Mods LOL 

FromDK said: You should change the headline to: "according to the 1000 people some asked" And 1000 people dont show any "worldwide trend" Just saying :)

SpokenTruth said: Um, this survey is an abject failure between what it measured and what they are stating. That doesn't mean "brand loyalty". That measures "brand interest". Brand loyalty is retaining the same brand on subsequent purchases. This isn't measuring that. It makes no distinction what brand console you currently or previously gamed on when stating which console brand you intend to purchase next. That doesn't mean the survey is useless or doesn't hold value (nor is a knock at the people surveyed or their consoles of choice). It's just very irresponsible of the surveyor to label the results as something that they aren't.

Exactly (x2). The line from article that shows the lie most directly is this:
"Sony’s PlayStation and its four (soon to be five) iterations claimed the most dedicated customers"
If we're being seriously, we know that isn't true of all four iterations, is it?
PS2 to PS3 had ~45% sales drop, from total market domination to barely eking out nominal win w/ less software due to slow start.
So the idea Playstation fans are brand loyal across iterations is absolutely ridiculous.
Clearly they respond to market alternatives, and they respond to strengths and weaknesses of Sony's current offering.
So all the polling numbers (of limited sample) show is those people have good interest in Sony's PS5 product at this point.
Of course not all details of it are known, so maybe we can say they are happy with PS4 and what they know of PS5 they like.
OK, great. We can even say that even in with troubles of PS3, Sony was able to outsell MS who had 1 year head start,
Although "loyalty" is less likely than simple desirability of Sony's exclusive offerings (and regional popularity winning fence-sitters).
Trying to oversell it into ahistorical "brand loyalty" is absurd, almost half of PS2 audience ditched Sony for PS3 era, that's a fact.
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Leynos said: Wrong. SEGA fans are. They still have dedicated forums to hardware. Still make games for Genesis and Dreamcast. Still run servers for Dreamcast online games. Neo Geo fans are right behind. Then Nintendo fans as they stuck around during the Wii U. Loyalty is truly tested in hardship. Sony doesn't have loyalty. They have a cult of personality.

I mean, I feel you, and this kind of fandom is certainly the most impressive... But objectively, it was all downhill for Sega since Genesis, so I can't really say their fans were most dedicated, over-all. Certainly the ones you mention are hyper-loyal, but if this is about all players as a group, I can't really say that. There is way more people who enjoyed Genesis or other Sega platform at one point, but then moved on to other brands. Capricious graphic whores they may be, but ultra-loyal Sega fans they are not. Last edited by mutantsushi - on 25 January 2020

mutantsushi said: Leynos said: Wrong. SEGA fans are. They still have dedicated forums to hardware. Still make games for Genesis and Dreamcast. Still run servers for Dreamcast online games. Neo Geo fans are right behind. Then Nintendo fans as they stuck around during the Wii U. Loyalty is truly tested in hardship. Sony doesn't have loyalty. They have a cult of personality. I mean, I feel you, and this kind of fandom is certainly the most impressive... But objectively, it was all downhill for Sega since Genesis, so I can't really say their fans were most dedicated, over-all. Certainly the ones you mention are hyper-loyal, but if this is about all players as a group, I can't really say that. There is way more people who enjoyed Genesis or other Sega platform at one point, but then moved on to other brands. Capricious graphic whores they may be, but ultra-loyal Sega fans they are not.

A little tough to buy a console when no one tells you it exists or hardly anyone sells it. All of SEGA's consoles are great. SEGA was lousy and still is at marketing and they were awful at running a business. SOA and SOJ never got along. SEGA tried to work with Sony for Saturn. SOJ decided they knew better. A tale as old as SEGA. SOJ fucking the company.

Jpcc86 said: Of course, Sony consoles are reliable, have a giant library with a lot of quality games distributed in a wide variety of genres that easily appeal to all ages. Its the whole package, its hard to leave behind a product that good. Either way, in every gen since the ps1 I've always had a Playstation and another console (usually from Nintendo) since Ive always felt - In my personal experience - console wars are moronic, you miss on a lot when you marry yourself to a brand/platform.

First gen PS1 had overheating issues. PS2 disc drives broke all the time. PS3 had some YLOD issues.  By PS3 reliability became better but you can't skip over fact PS2 broke all the damn time.  I know plenty people bought multiple PS2.  Why do you think sales are so high for it?

d21lewis said: As an Xbox fan I have to ask, does Xbox even have fans!? I just like the console but I'm not loyal to them.

Of course there are.

Even from a real life prospective, i have a friend who always choise to buy XBOX, even though he literally told me he would love to have Playstation exclusives because he think they are better.

HollyGamer said: https://www.bestseocompanies.com/generational-brand-loyalty/

So of the 1008 people they asked (gamers and non-gamers, they were asked a lot of non-gaming related questions), 30 of them claimed to have an Oculus Rift and 28 of them claimed to have a HTC Vive? (otherwise the percentages wouldn't be possible; 1/30 = 3.3% and 1/28 = 3.6%)

So at least 5.75% of the surveyed people (58/1008) have a PCVR headset? 

Yeah, totally believable data.

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FromDK said: You should change the headline to: "according to the 1000 people some asked" And 1000 people dont show any "worldwide trend" Just saying :)

It does. Statistics 101.

mutantsushi said: FromDK said: You should change the headline to: "according to the 1000 people some asked" And 1000 people dont show any "worldwide trend" Just saying :) SpokenTruth said: Um, this survey is an abject failure between what it measured and what they are stating. That doesn't mean "brand loyalty". That measures "brand interest". Brand loyalty is retaining the same brand on subsequent purchases. This isn't measuring that. It makes no distinction what brand console you currently or previously gamed on when stating which console brand you intend to purchase next. That doesn't mean the survey is useless or doesn't hold value (nor is a knock at the people surveyed or their consoles of choice). It's just very irresponsible of the surveyor to label the results as something that they aren't. Exactly (x2). The line from article that shows the lie most directly is this: "Sony’s PlayStation and its four (soon to be five) iterations claimed the most dedicated customers" If we're being seriously, we know that isn't true of all four iterations, is it? PS2 to PS3 had ~45% sales drop, from total market domination to barely eking out nominal win w/ less software due to slow start. So the idea Playstation fans are brand loyal across iterations is absolutely ridiculous. Clearly they respond to market alternatives, and they respond to strengths and weaknesses of Sony's current offering. So all the polling numbers (of limited sample) show is those people have good interest in Sony's PS5 product at this point. Of course not all details of it are known, so maybe we can say they are happy with PS4 and what they know of PS5 they like. OK, great. We can even say that even in with troubles of PS3, Sony was able to outsell MS who had 1 year head start, Although "loyalty" is less likely than simple desirability of Sony's exclusive offerings (and regional popularity winning fence-sitters). Trying to oversell it into ahistorical "brand loyalty" is absurd, almost half of PS2 audience ditched Sony for PS3 era, that's a fact.

Wow.

1) An echantillon of 1000 people is large. No, the size of the population doesn't matter, be it 1000, 1 million, 1 billion or 42 quadrillons.

2) The survey if for NOW. What happened 20 years ago doesn't matter.

3) You don't even understand the sentence. The sales might drop but you can still win the "brand loyality". If you keep 30% of your customers and the others only 20%, well ... 

4) You didn't even read the survey. You saw the tile, the image then claimed "BULLSHIT". Next time, read it.