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Signalstar said:
The virus is now spreading faster outside of China than inside China. Containment has failed. We are in a new world now.

I wouldn't say that at all. A lot of spreading in China is not reported. There are people close to where I live (someone in my 小区 got infected) and it never was shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. Most of us over here know that what is reported and what is reality are two different numbers.

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Ashadelo said:
Signalstar said:
The virus is now spreading faster outside of China than inside China. Containment has failed. We are in a new world now.

I wouldn't say that at all. A lot of spreading in China is not reported. There are people close to where I live (someone in my 小区 got infected) and it never was shown on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. Most of us over here know that what is reported and what is reality are two different numbers.

Unfortunately you are probably very much correct. If you take the Diamond Princess' ratio of serious/critical vs number detected cases, and believe the reported serious/critical cases in China, then there are at least another 89 thousand so far undetected or under reported cases walking around in China. And even the Diamond Princess' tests turned out to be incorrect since several people that were cleared to leave still got sick later.

It's likely true for many places, tests are not fool proof and the incubation period can be as long as 3 weeks. The virus is probably spreading slower in China atm because of all the counter measures and as you said people are staying home. The rest of the world is still largely in denial and carrying on as usual. It might be very different in another week.

The press conference said a lot. Trump kept downplaying the risk and repeating we are fully prepared, we have the best people, we are on top of it, etc etc. While the experts were in between trying to warn people to start preparing for the coming wave.



Ah I see Canada has changed the low risk to a much more worrying message...
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/coronavirus-live-updates-who-covid19-covid-19-italy-china-canada-wuhan-deaths
"Stockpile food and meds in case of infection, Canada's health minister says 'It’s good to be prepared because things can change quickly,' Minister Patty Hajdu said"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-iran-champagne-repatriation-1.5476434
Public health official says widespread transmission could mean 'social distancing' measures


And now it's about a 100km from where I live
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-iran-champagne-repatriation-1.5476434
"Public health investigators are tracing the steps of a woman who returned to Canada from Iran nine days before going to Sunnybrook hospital with emerging COVID-19 symptoms"

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John2290 said:
I was massively against Brexit but I never tought of pathogens and borders. Maybe they had the right idea for the long term, as the EU's economy is crumbling around us, they'll be sitting pretty with closed boarders. The rate of which it is spreading within Europe, across countries is frightening. I hope the EU parliament has plans for eventualities like this because this isn't good for the future, it'll turn thenmajority of the population to nationalism if (when) shit hits the fan.

It's already in the UK though (2 new cases today to 15) and has Brexit reduced any traffic between the UK and the main land?
30 schools are already closed in the UK, Japan wants to close all Elementary, Junior high and High schools starting March 2nd. A 6th case has been found in Ontario, husband of the 5th patient that arrived back from Iran 9 days before going to the hospital.

Today I made sure we have enough of the regular cold, flu, fever etc meds in the house and stocked up on non perishable and frozen foods. Not so much to last through a long pandemic, more in case panic brakes out and a run on stores empty out all the shelves for a while. That would be the worst time to shop with everyone, some maybe sick, running around.



John2290 said:
I was massively against Brexit but I never tought of pathogens and borders. Maybe they had the right idea for the long term, as the EU's economy is crumbling around us, they'll be sitting pretty with closed boarders. The rate of which it is spreading within Europe, across countries is frightening. I hope the EU parliament has plans for eventualities like this because this isn't good for the future, it'll turn thenmajority of the population to nationalism if (when) shit hits the fan.

UK and Ireland aren't and weren't part of the Schengen area so they never had open borders with mainland European countries.



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Yesterday in my country we got our second victim... today 5 more. even if the risk is extremly small it is a bit worrying.



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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

It's already in the UK though (2 new cases today to 15) and has Brexit reduced any traffic between the UK and the main land?
30 schools are already closed in the UK, Japan wants to close all Elementary, Junior high and High schools starting March 2nd. A 6th case has been found in Ontario, husband of the 5th patient that arrived back from Iran 9 days before going to the hospital.

Today I made sure we have enough of the regular cold, flu, fever etc meds in the house and stocked up on non perishable and frozen foods. Not so much to last through a long pandemic, more in case panic brakes out and a run on stores empty out all the shelves for a while. That would be the worst time to shop with everyone, some maybe sick, running around.

I guess we'll see how it shakes out and how the EU handles open boarders but right now it looks like we are the weakest system in the world to handle this, the strongest being Singapore. Smart, I didn't think of making use of frozen food as the power is likely not going anywhere. Time to clear out the freezer and fill it.

Hmm i got a huge empty freezer in the garage,the kind you also see in grocery's.

Could fill it up,it's not that i lose anything by doing it and could provide for family if it is really needed.



Immersiveunreality said:
John2290 said:

I guess we'll see how it shakes out and how the EU handles open boarders but right now it looks like we are the weakest system in the world to handle this, the strongest being Singapore. Smart, I didn't think of making use of frozen food as the power is likely not going anywhere. Time to clear out the freezer and fill it.

Hmm i got a huge empty freezer in the garage,the kind you also see in grocery's.

Could fill it up,it's not that i lose anything by doing it and could provide for family if it is really needed.

Yep, it's not like food is getting cheaper over time. As long as you have space, might as well use it.
Every day now it's accelerating in Europe.



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John2290 said:
Barozi said:

UK and Ireland aren't and weren't part of the Schengen area so they never had open borders with mainland European countries.

I live in Ireland, I can go almost anywhere in Europe without a visa, stay work and return home anytime I want. Same goes for people on the continent coming here, they've already taken advantage of it since '03 and returned home, mainly Polish people but plenty from the country around that area. That's pretty damn open to me and migrants, both economic and Asylum seekers were and have been placed here from all over the world, not just the EU in the last 20 years. If mainland European countries are more open than Ireland,  I can't imagine it.

Not sure what you try to tell us. Most people traveling around will be tourists and businessmen/woman. No idea how you think that Brexit doesn't seem to be such a bad idea If it comes to stuff like this virus. 

I will visit the UK just like like before. And If you can stay 3 months or 50 years in a country won't really change much how this virus spreads