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Some harsh words from Ford

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/i-don-t-want-them-in-ontario-premier-ford-fires-back-after-trump-suggests-loosening-border-1.4899199

TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Doug Ford is firing back at United States President Donald Trump after he indicated there could soon be loosened restrictions at the border. "Trudeau should say no right away," Ford said Thursday. "Until we have this under containment, we need to have our borders closed."

On Wednesday, Trump told Americans that Canada is doing well in the fight against COVID-19 and that it will be one of the early borders to be released.

Ontario shares a border with Minnesota, Michigan and New York, which is the hardest hit area in the country. As of Thursday afternoon, there are 629,264 cases of COVID-19 in the United States, including 26,708 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The borders between the two countries have been closed for nearly a month to non-essential travellers. "We should have shut down the borders a lot sooner and put better screening at our airports," Ford said. "The answer is absolutely not. I don't want them (Americans) in Ontario."



Reported cases are growing again in Canada, mainly driven by Quebec with a big spike yet Alberta is also going up again. Ontario positive growth as well but not as much, not beating its previous reported record yet. British Columbia continues to go down contrary to the expected uptick after Easter. If BC keeps this up they might soon be able to start opening business again. I haven't been looking at Nova Scotia, yet for cases per million they're not far off from Ontario, as well as Newfoundland and Labrador. Only 252 cases, but also 1/30th of the population of Ontario. Big difference between East and West.

The West coast looks to be going back to normal life before the East coast. East west travel will still have to be discouraged.



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China has just revised the numbers for the Wuhan region. Those leaked pictures of the Wuhan crematory working day and night could probably no longer have been suppressed within China...



SpokenTruth said:
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
The source of the virus may be China, but it is the country's responsibility not to be able to control the infection.

Apparently Trump could personally and intentionally infect everyone and it would somehow still be China's fault.  Obama's fault.  The media's fault.  The WHO's fault.

The fault of everybody that trump blames but never his own.

No one is acting like Trump doesn't carry blame. He does in fact have a lot of blood on his hands, but please stop acting like China doesn't carry a huge amount of blame for this either. They have a lot to answer for.

Last edited by newwil7l - on 17 April 2020

Trump pretends to be furious, claims he was NEVER told about outbreak



Rab said:

Trump pretends to be furious, claims he was NEVER told about outbreak

He was told early. And he said it was a hoax didn't he?

**************

Today was the first day in 3 days my state got a single new confirmed case, that is still fantastic numbers. The clock resets.



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SpokenTruth said:
Quartz said:
This might upset a few people in this thread. The relation of the W.H.O to China and the Director General of the W.H.O not even having a medical degree. Even the Guardian had to admit (despite the title they used in the article) that China held off information relating to the virus for at least 6 days which could have saved lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTrxXT_FKg

I would have expected the W.H.O to be a organisation that isn't influenced by politics...now I see why people are edgy about funding it altogether, even though it is supposed to help everyone.

He's a microbiologist.

Bachelor of Science (BSc) degree in Biology.
Master of Science (MSc) degree in Immunology of Infectious Diseases.
PhD in Community Health.

Who the hell said he doesn't have a medical degree?

Sorry I made a mistake, I was looking up another individual with regards to the Guardian reporting who didn't have a medical degree (who was blaming Capitalism) and conflated it with the story itself with regards to the Director of W.H.O. Sorry got my sources mixed up at time of typing. Honest mistake thanks for pointing it out.



Good to see this site is still going 

China had like 1100+ active cases... and now they have 1290 deaths in a single day.

1) Deaths due to this, is more than their active cases was?
2) coincidence that many of the remaining all die on the same day? or did they just pull the plug on all the ventilators?

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drkohler said:
China has just revised the numbers for the Wuhan region. Those leaked pictures of the Wuhan crematory working day and night could probably no longer have been suppressed within China...

So it turns out thats why.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 17 April 2020

All this pointing fingers at Trump is stupid. Plenty of other countries made the same mistakes. 

Even general director of WHO stated at February 24th that we aren't witnessing an uncontained global spread of corona or large-scale severe disease or death.

Finnish Institute of Health and Welfare gets it's data from WHO and they were downplaying this virus until March 17th. They said Italy is overreacting etc. Our prime minister was clueless, downplaying the virus and unwilling to act until president Niinistö stepped in.

We're doing fine now, but we were also lucky. Because we didn't do any better than US and Trump. 



KiigelHeart said:

All this pointing fingers at Trump is stupid. Plenty of other countries made the same mistakes. 

Even general director of WHO stated at February 24th that we aren't witnessing an uncontained global spread of corona or large-scale severe disease or death.

Finnish Institute of Health and Welfare gets it's data from WHO and they were downplaying this virus until March 17th. They said Italy is overreacting etc. Our prime minister was clueless, downplaying the virus and unwilling to act until president Niinistö stepped in.

We're doing fine now, but we were also lucky. Because we didn't do any better than US and Trump. 

People point fingers at Trump, because Trump desperately points at others for his own mistakes (and does so for every of this failures, like the narcissist he is). That others made the same mistakes is irrelevant and people of every country should ofcourse hold their own leaders responsible for their action/inaction - so much for captain obvious.



Europe is pulling ahead again thanks to corrections in France. Yesterday they reported 17,164 cases, more than half of what the USA reports, while their usual count is between 4 and 5 thousand cases a day. That accounted for 34% of Europe's total new cases yesterday. Without the extra 12K cases Europe would actually have had a lower count than Wednesday.

Despite Europe pulling ahead now, the USA made up a little ground while comparing total cases, current 9.8 days behind Europe (down from 10.0) Expected now the Easter party is over. However the USA is still doing good, they were closing in on Europe at 8.1 days behind for a week. Of course Russia is also still growing as a late to the party new comer.

As for the world, we're now almost at 100k new cases per day, just reached 2.2 million total, and over 7K deaths per day on average, closing in on the 150K total today. About double the rate of yearly traffic fatalities, and 4 times as many a day compared to the worst case Flu scenario. That's with all the current measures in place.