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600k cases in the US now.



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Easter weekend had a much bigger effect (under reporting both infections and deaths) but yes, social distancing had been working. Without any measures we would now have been at nearly 1 million new cases per day!



Easter has other effects, in Italy police busted some people who were having a BBQ, in Colombia Police busted people on a farm where they had a big party with scantily clad women and a lot of drugs and alcohol.  They were similar stories all around the world.

Last edited by Chicho - on 14 April 2020

Chicho said:

Easter has other effects, in Italy police busted some people who were having a BBQ, in Colombia Police busted people on a farm where they had a big party with scantily clad women and a lot of drugs and alcohol.  They were similar stories all around the world.

Yep, with average 5.2 day incubation time we'll see the effects of that in Friday's reporting, however mostly disguised by the regular weekend dip in reporting. There might be a slight uptick in deaths in 2.5 weeks time.

It's getting tedious, the more people ignore social distancing, the longer we have to keep social distancing, the more people will ignore social distancing. It will be interesting to see how Austria is going to do in the next 2 weeks. They might have gotten it down far enough, averaging 300 new cases per day before the Easter dip. Ontario was still at 400 cases a day, measures extended until May at least.



Mnementh said:

haxxiy said:

Most countries have criteria for testing. Something like symptoms and contact to known infected. If the number of tests goes down it means fewer people are meeting this criteria. This is by far not bulletproof and broad testing without preconditions would be better, but it probably still means the number of infected is slowly going down.

I'm not sure to which extent this holds, since we don't know if the drops are due to less people meeting these criteria or a scarcity of tests. The latter would likely be regional instead of randomly distributed, and likely happen where tests are needed the most. That could artificially drop the number of infected cases per tests realized in a given region.

But that is merely my speculation, of course.

Besides, since we know tests are lacking in a lot of places and they are sorely needed, I'd assume to be good public policy and in everyone's interest to change the criteria on the go and test more people, as per the WHO's recommendations, if you happen to be sitting on a pile of them.



 

 

 

 

 

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according to the NYTimes 3k deaths of people with covid-19 symptoms (not tested) have been added to the NYCity count, meaning over 10k ppl died of the disease in the city alone
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html



Lafiel said:
according to the NYTimes 3k deaths of people with covid-19 symptoms (not tested) have been added to the NYCity count, meaning over 10k ppl died of the disease in the city alone
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

Shows a graph with a timeline and deaths in newyork city.
It starts in 2000 and goes to 2020 april 4th.

You see that although back then, there was registered 3,350 deaths due to coronavirus, actually there was a spike thats actually 5,330 higher (than reported) numbers.  Its clear that even though these people wheren't counted as "due to coronavirus" its very likely thats the cause.

I think its a safe bet that actual numbers, are likely atleast x2 of whatever  worldometers.info says for the US.



SpokenTruth said:
NightlyPoe said:

I don't believe I said otherwise.

You implied as such with your statement, "One can imagine the patchwork of interest-protected bloat and shameful deficiencies that would work its way into the system in short order."

It's just a payment system. Deficiency in what?  Bloat in what?  It's not a health management system.

But tell us about how efficient and unbloated our current private health insurance system is. 

I thought on avg you guys spent like 2-3 times as much on health care (money wise) as the rest of the world?
(and amounts large enough to already pay for universal health care, if you ran systems the same way the rest of the world did)

Its hard to argue that the US healthcare system isnt already bloated, and grossly profit oriented (when things cost 2-3 times as much).

*edit:
A while back, I linked to a article about a insurance company that actually offered to pay a plane ticket to people, if they were willing to fly to mexico and pickup their own drugs there. Apparently the same medicin in mexico, costs so much less than in america, that if you buy enough, insurace companies can cover your flight tickets + give you 500$, and still come off better (save money).



New daily death record in the US. Tomorrow is gonna be interesting.



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vivster said:
New daily death record in the US. Tomorrow is gonna be interesting.

Why? what happends tomorrow?