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Pinkie_pie said:
SpokenTruth said:

The primary Spider-Man bundle came out in July 2018 alongside the game itself with a second one just following it. And both primary bundles have long since been discontinued. And the game received it's first price cuts in Nov 2018 and made it a permanent price cut in Feb 2019.

It sold 9 million by Nov 2018.  Then 13.2 million by August 2019.  There is no way in hell it sold nearly 20% of it's total unit sales in the past 4 months when it had holiday 2018 and 8 months of 2019 to sell 4 million units.

What bundle in july 2018? The game released in september of 2018. It sold 9m by jan 2019 and 13m by August of 2019. 4m between jan to August is quite impressive. Then from August to jan 2020 it definitely can sell 3m because of holidays and bf bundle and price cut. Botw sold 13m in 23 months. Spider man sold 13m in 11 months. I think spider man been outselling botw from August til now because its a newer game, had bf and holidays bundle and price cut 

December 2019

  1. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019
  2. Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order
  3. Madden NFL 20
  4. NBA 2K20
  5. Luigi’s Mansion 3*
  6. Pokemon Sword*
  7. Mario Kart 8*
  8. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*
  9. Pokemon Shield*
  10. Minecraft#
  11. Grand Theft Auto V
  12. Red Dead Redemption II
  13. FIFA 20
  14. Just Dance 2020
  15. Need for Speed: Heat
  16. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
  17. The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening*
  18. New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe*
  19. Super Mario Party*
  20. Ring Fit Adventure

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SpokenTruth said:
Pinkie_pie said:

What bundle in july 2018? The game released in september of 2018. It sold 9m by jan 2019 and 13m by August of 2019. 4m between jan to August is quite impressive. Then from August to jan 2020 it definitely can sell 3m because of holidays and bf bundle and price cut. Botw sold 13m in 23 months. Spider man sold 13m in 11 months. I think spider man been outselling botw from August til now because its a newer game, had bf and holidays bundle and price cut 

Sorry, the article had the date written in European format.  7/9/18.  So, yes it was September, not July.

No, it sold 9 million by Nov 2018 and 13.2 million by August 2019. 

"Additionally, Sony announced that Spider-Man for PS4 has sold 9 million copies physically and digitally as of November 25." Cyber Monday was Nov 26.
"Much of Insomniac's catalog over the years has appeared on Sony PlayStation consoles, including last year's Marvel's Spider-Man, which Sony revealed today has sold over 13.2 million copies." - August 19, 2019.

So it sold 4.2 million from late Nov 2018 (including Cyber Monday) to early August 2019.  That's nearly 9 months.  So, again, no, it is extremely unlikely to have sold 3 more million in the past 4 months.

Did you see Spider-Man listed on any NPD, Euro or WW sales chart during that time? No.
Did you see Breath of the Wild listed on any NPD, Euro or WW sales chart during that time? Every single one of them.

So tell me again how Spider-Man has been outselling Breath of the Wild since August.

I already told you its not listed on npd because bundle games arent counted. Or euro and WW sales chart dont include digital? Itt had a price cut in feb 2019 for $40 but i can definitely tell you during holidays of 2019 you could get the standard game for $20 digital and physical in Australia so i assumed thats also in Europe as well. Not sure about north American. Yes 9m sold by end of November because of bf bundle. Because of the $20 for the standard game during the holidays, bf bundle and the game of the year edition that was released late August it can sell 3m since August 



Pinkie_pie said:
SpokenTruth said:

Sorry, the article had the date written in European format.  7/9/18.  So, yes it was September, not July.

No, it sold 9 million by Nov 2018 and 13.2 million by August 2019. 

"Additionally, Sony announced that Spider-Man for PS4 has sold 9 million copies physically and digitally as of November 25." Cyber Monday was Nov 26.
"Much of Insomniac's catalog over the years has appeared on Sony PlayStation consoles, including last year's Marvel's Spider-Man, which Sony revealed today has sold over 13.2 million copies." - August 19, 2019.

So it sold 4.2 million from late Nov 2018 (including Cyber Monday) to early August 2019.  That's nearly 9 months.  So, again, no, it is extremely unlikely to have sold 3 more million in the past 4 months.

Did you see Spider-Man listed on any NPD, Euro or WW sales chart during that time? No.
Did you see Breath of the Wild listed on any NPD, Euro or WW sales chart during that time? Every single one of them.

So tell me again how Spider-Man has been outselling Breath of the Wild since August.

I already told you its not listed on npd because bundle games arent counted. Or euro and WW sales chart dont include digital? Itt had a price cut in feb 2019 for $40 but i can definitely tell you during holidays of 2019 you could get the standard game for $20 digital and physical in Australia so i assumed thats also in Europe as well. Not sure about north American. Yes 9m sold by end of November because of bf bundle. Because of the $20 for the standard game during the holidays, bf bundle and the game of the year edition that was released late August it can sell 3m since August 

They include digital except for Nintendo and Bethesda. 

So let me get this straight.  It was cut to $20 and still didn't make any charts?  And you think it somehow sold 3 million units via discontinued bundles?



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SpokenTruth said:
Pinkie_pie said:

I already told you its not listed on npd because bundle games arent counted. Or euro and WW sales chart dont include digital? Itt had a price cut in feb 2019 for $40 but i can definitely tell you during holidays of 2019 you could get the standard game for $20 digital and physical in Australia so i assumed thats also in Europe as well. Not sure about north American. Yes 9m sold by end of November because of bf bundle. Because of the $20 for the standard game during the holidays, bf bundle and the game of the year edition that was released late August it can sell 3m since August 

They include digital except for Nintendo and Bethesda. 

So let me get this straight.  It was cut to $20 and still didn't make any charts?  And you think it somehow sold 3 million units via discontinued bundles?

Discontinued bundles yes but there were still bf bundle for it. It was $20 in Australian and Europe yes, not sure about north America. Im pretty sure uk chart, japan and many other countries in eroupe dont include digital. Are you sure all chart besides japan include digital? Im sure spider man did well in Australian and all over Europe during the holiday because of the $20 standard game. Would you mind showing me a few chart besides npd and japan 

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Pinkie_pie said:
SpokenTruth said:

They include digital except for Nintendo and Bethesda. 

So let me get this straight.  It was cut to $20 and still didn't make any charts?  And you think it somehow sold 3 million units via discontinued bundles?

It was $20 in Australian and Europe yes, not sure about north America. Im pretty sure uk chart, japan and many other countries in eroupe dont

include digital. Are you sure all chart besides japan include digital? Im sure spider man did well in Australian and all over Europe during the holiday because of the $20 standard game. Would you mind showing me a few chart besides npd and japan 

Here are the EMEAA charts for the week ending Jan 05, 2020.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-01-13-fifa-2020-enjoys-sixth-consecutive-week-at-no-1-in-emeaa-charts

BUT....Spider-Man did re-enter the charts that week.

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That's really impressive and good to see considering the rest of the games on the list.
I'd like to see more games like that bring competition to first person shooters and Rockstar games. Not for the sake of selling more than any other game per say, but because hopefully there's a bigger audience out there for games that aren't named COD, FIFA, etc.

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SpokenTruth said:
Pinkie_pie said:

It was $20 in Australian and Europe yes, not sure about north America. Im pretty sure uk chart, japan and many other countries in eroupe dont

include digital. Are you sure all chart besides japan include digital? Im sure spider man did well in Australian and all over Europe during the holiday because of the $20 standard game. Would you mind showing me a few chart besides npd and japan 

Here are the EMEAA charts for the week ending Jan 05, 2020.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2020-01-13-fifa-2020-enjoys-sixth-consecutive-week-at-no-1-in-emeaa-charts

BUT....Spider-Man did re-enter the charts that week.

Thanks. That chart is really cool since it combined most of the countries in Europe. Spider man managed to enter the chart maybe because theres a price cut for the game of the year edition since late December. https://store.playstation.com/en-gb/product/EP9000-CUSA11995_00-000000000MSMGOTY The standard game is back to normal price since last month



So, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is the best selling exclusive of the decade 0_0

Dang !!
And we thought another scenario à la MKWii was impossible 3 years ago lol.



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mZuzek said:
super_etecoon said:
In a world of CODs, be a Zelda.

Do you have Zelda games in your top 50?

oh Snap!....I'm so sorry. I have been so busy, but I do appreciate the reminders.  I have a list, but I haven't figured out the orders and I've just been so swamped.  But keep them coming...I'll get my list to you sooner than later.



super_etecoon said:
mZuzek said:

Do you have Zelda games in your top 50?

oh Snap!....I'm so sorry. I have been so busy, but I do appreciate the reminders.  I have a list, but I haven't figured out the orders and I've just been so swamped.  But keep them coming...I'll get my list to you sooner than later.

I hope so, because your deadline is next week.