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goopy20 said:

MS doesn't have full blown exclusives to show off early because they're probably not even in development.

How do you know that? Why is that probable? And why do you think Sony has more of them in development?

MS's focus going into next gen is building GP subscribers, and not pushing Series X sales and making games for it...

Microsoft is a big company. They don't have to focus on a single path, but can pursue several goals.

I'm sure they will have some cryptic cgi trailers with some logo's but I don't think they will show gameplay footage of a true next gen Gears for example.

So what's the difference to Sony which often announces games early with cryptic cgi trailers and some logo's but without showing gameplay footage for years?



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Wait, MS now apparently has no next gen games in development? 😆😆😆



Conina said:
goopy20 said:

MS doesn't have full blown exclusives to show off early because they're probably not even in development.

How do you know that? Why is that probable? And why do you think Sony has more of them in development?

MS's focus going into next gen is building GP subscribers, and not pushing Series X sales and making games for it...

Microsoft is a big company. They don't have to focus on a single path, but can pursue several goals.

I'm sure they will have some cryptic cgi trailers with some logo's but I don't think they will show gameplay footage of a true next gen Gears for example.

So what's the difference to Sony which often announces games early with cryptic cgi trailers and some logo's but without showing gameplay footage for years?

I don't think they have them in development yet because they don't need, or expect, the Series X to sell big numbers. If they're not projecting a big install base of Series X consoles, financially it wouldn't make sense to target those kind of specs. Instead it's much more viable for MS that the masses can play them on GP, which will be mostly X1 and pc gamers with low spec pc's (at least compared to the Series X's hardare) and then have upscaled versions for Series X and high-end pc. We will get those games eventually when RTX2080 like performance becomes mainstream on pc, but that might take a while depending on the prices of Nvidia and AMD new gpu's. 

Why Sony will have them is because they do expect to sell 100m next gen consoles, as that will be their main focus. As soon as Sony launches a new console, almost all of their 1st party studios switch to the new console. Just look at 2014, except for LBP3, all of Sony's 1st party games were ps4 exclusives. I mean it's pretty obvious that SM, ND, GG, Insomniac have all been working on next gen titles ever since their last game came out. Doesn't mean they will be launch titles, but they would've at least been working on them for years now. Therefore, it's save to say that they will have some gameplay footage they can show early on, just like they did with UC4, Bloodborne, the Order 1886 and HZD.  

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goopy20 said:

Just look at 2014, except for LBP3, all of Sony's 1st party games were ps4 exclusives.

That's wrong and you should know it by now.

But yeah, let's look at Sony's PS4 1st party games in 2014:

PS4 games not on PS3: inFamous Second Son + First Light + Killzone: Shadow Fall Intercept + Driveclub.

That's only two games + two DLCs... not very impressive output.
Even the stand-alone Uncharted: Left Behind was released on PS3 instead of using it to push PS4 sales as an exclusive!

PS4 games also on PS3: The Last of Us + Left Behind, LBP 3, MLB 14: The Show, Dead Nation, Entwined, Singstar



Conina said:
goopy20 said:

Just look at 2014, except for LBP3, all of Sony's 1st party games were ps4 exclusives.

That's wrong and you should know it by now.

But yeah, let's look at Sony's PS4 1st party games in 2014:

PS4 games not on PS3: inFamous Second Son + First Light + Killzone: Shadow Fall Intercept + Driveclub.

That's only two games + two DLCs... not very impressive output.
Even the stand-alone Uncharted: Left Behind was released on PS3 instead of using it to push PS4 sales as an exclusive!

PS4 games also on PS3: The Last of Us + Left Behind, LBP 3, MLB 14: The Show, Dead Nation, Entwined, Singstar

It doesn't matter how many games sony's 1st studios put out. The point is that they were all working on ps4 games as soon at it came out. You think ND, GG, SM, Insomniac etc. are currently working on unannounced ps4 games? It's pretty normal that both MS and Sony's major first party studios switch to the new console when a new gen starts. However, with MS we honestly have no idea at this point, because it sounds like they are making X1 games that will scale up on Series X.

I guess we have to wait and see what that'll look like. But it'll obviously hinder the scope and ambitions of some of their 1st party games. Who knows what's going on but it could very well have something to do with so many leads quitting MS's studios in the last couple of months. 



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“hey let’s spend tons of money on R&D for this beast console!”

Cool now let’s make some games

“nah let’s not”

Makes sense 😆😆😆

Also you’re telling me what we saw of Hellblade 2 was made in Xbone and “scaled up”? Wow NT am wizards 



goopy20 said:


Just look at 2014, except for LBP3, all of Sony's 1st party games were ps4 exclusives.

 

goopy20 said:

It doesn't matter how many games sony's 1st studios put out.

You have been proven wrong about a hundred things in this thread. You are absolutely learning immune and constantly shift goal posts.

The discussion with you is absolutely pointless.



LudicrousSpeed said:

“hey let’s spend tons of money on R&D for this beast console!”

Cool now let’s make some games

“nah let’s not”

Makes sense 😆😆😆

Also you’re telling me what we saw of Hellblade 2 was made in Xbone and “scaled up”? Wow NT am wizards 

Sounds crazy I know. Not saying it won't have games. Obviously there's the 3rd party games that'll show up eventually and MS's studios are working on new games too. But we have no idea if they're all being designed with the X1 as the lead platform and scale up and down their family of devices, because that's what MS been telling us. Hellblade looks almost too good to be true, but I guess we'll see when they show some actual gameplay footage.



goopy20 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, the cross gen games dominated exclusives in 2013/2014. That would suggest many people migrated over just to play improved 8th gen versions which were often treated as the lead.

Therefore maybe a viable solution is MS just creating more definitive experiences on 9th gen and marketing them as such.

Games like Forza Horizon 4 and Gears 5 are fine on a base X1. But I have a X1X because that's the best console experience for them. Hence, these are Gamepass titles that take advantage of my hardware upgrade purchase.

All we really know about X1 games for 2020/2021 is they will function and should look decent, whether they are 1st or 3rd party. While the Series X versions in comparison will much more closely resemble a high end PC experience. Which may or will include higher resolutions, better performance, better textures, improved or additional affects, faster loading and perhaps more detailed assets/geometry over all. With all that considered, how can you argue Gamepass has no benefits for users upgrading? That's exactly why I may buy a Series X at launch.

Hardly anyone buys a next gen console to play the same games, just better. If that was true, then why did so few people upgrade to a mid-gen console? People buy them because of the promise of new games that take a dramatic leap from what we've seen before. If the first wave of next gen games suck and the new cross-gen cod comes out. Then yeah, they will probably still buy cod but with the promise of getting a true next gen cod later. That just depends on the quality of the games. But don't you think a next gen GTA6, HZD, GOW, Halo etc. would push a lot more consoles than any cross-platform title? 

Like I said, GP is great but we won't see any true next gen exclusives on it until we are halfway through next gen.

 

If your theory is right then Killzone and Knack should have handily outsold every other game during the PS4 launch. That...didn’t happen. Not even close 



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goopy20 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

“hey let’s spend tons of money on R&D for this beast console!”

Cool now let’s make some games

“nah let’s not”

Makes sense 😆😆😆

Also you’re telling me what we saw of Hellblade 2 was made in Xbone and “scaled up”? Wow NT am wizards 

Sounds crazy I know. Not saying it won't have games. Obviously there's the 3rd party games that'll show up eventually and MS's studios are working on new games too. But we have no idea if they're all being designed with the X1 as the lead platform and scale up and down their family of devices, because that's what MS been telling us. Hellblade looks almost too good to be true, but I guess we'll see when they show some actual gameplay footage.

I can’t wait to watch you try to explain how being a true gen exclusive is better then higher quality cross gen titles. Halo Infinite and Forza 8 are taking extra time then usual to impress where as Sony has zero incentive to launch with their best, because they know people buy on the brand alone in year 1. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.