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Jicale said:
Personally, f*** the leaders of Iran.

"Why are homosexuals executed in Iran because of their sexual orientation?"

"Our society has moral principles. And we live according to these principles. These are moral principles concerning the behavior of people in general. And that means that the law is respected and the law is obeyed,"

Imagine getting the death sentence for loving someone.

Personally, f*** the leaders of the US as well.

"Why are unnecessary wars started that kill 100s of thousands?"

"National Security"

"Imagine getting the death sentence for living in an oil rich area"

Oh and while we are at it, f*** the leaders of the UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, Australia and China as well



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Radek said:
These ducking terrorists shot down Ukrainian plane killing 176 people, I have no compassion for Iran.

I have plenty of compassion for iran who keep getting screwed by US. I have none of the war mongering leaders of the US



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Les be clear: Any American soldier that dies in the middle east is partially the fault if the US always because they are not supposed to be there at all. Any civilian innocent that dies in these stupid wars not wars have also died partially due to the US because they started this shitshow. And Iran and the entire region would be much better and ,ucj different had the war mongering new world invaders not come.



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SpokenTruth said:
RolStoppable said:

Wow. What a turn of events. Coming completely out of nowhere.

I think of it as simply getting harder for them to lie about it not being political. 

What is it about then? doing the right thing? It is political, if it wasn't, Pelosi would add an article regarding Trump illegally assassinating a foreign general, but that would set an unsustainable precedent that neither party and not a single POTUS could or can live up to. 

Tulsi was right, hyper partisan interests from both sides are controlling the narrative, no principles whatsoever. She is sane enough to not to participate in this charade. 



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What a sad chain of events. Trump decides to kill Soleimani. 56 people are trampled to death at his funeral. Iran accidentally shoots down a civilian aircraft killing another 176 because they are on high alert. So much senseless loss of human life.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gWECYYOSo

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SpokenTruth said:
The_Yoda said:

Aw damn, thanks.  Been at work and hadn't heard this yet.  It just didn't make sense for them to knowingly down that plane.

So far it definitely doesn't seem like it was on purpose.  And to be honest, if it were on purpose there would really be no way to know.  It still seems like a major screw up rather than intentional though.

Either way it sucks for everyone on board plus their friends and families.  There were people from several countries on that flight.  Thankfully no one on the ground has been reported to have been hurt.

Did you see the Iranian protests now that they have admitted they downed the passenger jet?  They (no idea of the percentage of the population - probably a relatively small one) are calling for the removal of the supreme leader... Hell it showed them even avoiding walking on paintings of an American and Israeli flag that were put on the ground for the purpose of being walked on. ...   How did Trump wind up getting such a lucky roll (at a horrible cost of course)? 



Soleimani was on Israel's assassination list for several years but several attempts had failed. Well Trump gave Netanyahu his election gift and took the blame as well.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-gives-israel-green-light-to-assassinate-iran-s-general-soleimani-1.5630156

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-says-irans-soleimani-knows-his-assassination-is-not-impossible/

Still doesn't change the fundamental coordinates: Iran, Iraq and the Syrian government form a Shia axis supported with Russian technology. Iranian forces control the land bridge between Iran and Israel (that is Iraq+Syria). Meanwhile, Putty and Assad celebrate orthodox Christmas in Damascus.

https://youtu.be/h7n2lyg11P0



NightlyPoe said:

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I hesitate to wade into this thread, but did anyone notice that while everyone was arguing about the semantics of the legalistic definition of "imminent", that Iran was forced to back down, was humiliated, have had many of their proxies flee in fear, and have so badly mishandled the situation domestically that (far from the promise of an Iran united by the strike) they are facing large-scale demonstrations that will occupy their attention for a time? They're so messed up right now that they arrested the British ambassador the other day. Not to mention that Soleimani is gone forever and with him much operational experience in projecting power via proxy?

Seems to me that, when all the shouting dies down and the political arguments are waved away, the operation was a success beyond what could reasonably be hoped for in terms of deterring Iranian aggression with minimal blowback.  Maybe something will blow up tomorrow, but that's where it stands at the moment.

Actually what this shows me is that Iran is not the aggressor and doesn't want war, but the US desperately needs a reason to invade Iran somehow. It also shows me the Iranian people have a will and while they stand with their leaders against American aggression, invasion and Imperialism, they do not condone the other actions the Iranian leadership has taken and accident or not, they are not happy that innocents died. It reflects more positively on Iran in my viewpoint than it does the US. And I think the US didn't get what it wanted because the US wants war.



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NightlyPoe said:
Eagle367 said:

Actually what this shows me is that Iran is not the aggressor and doesn't want war, but the US desperately needs a reason to invade Iran somehow. It also shows me the Iranian people have a will and while they stand with their leaders against American aggression, invasion and Imperialism, they do not condone the other actions the Iranian leadership has taken and accident or not, they are not happy that innocents died. It reflects more positively on Iran in my viewpoint than it does the US. And I think the US didn't get what it wanted because the US wants war.

Is that a joke post?

Well your assumptions are that whatever the US does has to be good and whatever Iran does has to be evil. My assumptions are based on the fact that I don't have a bias for any country but looking at their past actions, I have deduced what I wrote.

The US has been at war for most of it's existence and recently has invaded Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, lybia and others without just cause. It has a pro war strategy all the way and they jump into war needlessly.

Iran meanwhile hasn't been in a real war in decades and Iran showed the willingness to want peace rather than war when they made the Iran deal. It's the same Irani admin and they could;be just made nukes instead of agreeing to anything but they didn't. They also shot down a base when no one was in it when they could've easily shot one down at max capacity. This tells me that they wanted to show some sign of strength to their people while avoiding actual war. Everyone thought Iran would respond in a way that would cause war, but it was a masterclass in avoiding conflict.

The US meanwhile killed a top general if a country randomly and without just cause, so it shows that they were looking for war. Also top US officials keep showing an unusual amount of interest in war with Iran. John Bolton was just one of said guys but many still remain in the US government.

Iran has done horrible things to some of it's people and has not been kind to it's minorities. It is not an overall good state, but when comparing records, the US is far more towards the side of wrong than Iran. Not in all cases but in war, needless innocent death and destruction, most certainly. Ultimately, no one is the good guy here but Iran was the one that showed restraint and avoided war, while the US instigated and showed aggression and a willingness for war. I'll be on the side of peace instead of war anyday. 



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