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d21lewis said:

Here's the quote I was looking for:

"Atom Tickets went so far as to state Rise of Skywalker ticket sales is outselling Avengers: Endgame, with Endgame currently being the number one movie at the box office of all time. Atom further says Rise Of Skywalker tickets sales is their best selling movie in 24 hours ever."

They really need to stop trying to manufacture hype with garbage like that.  And Atom tickets is partially owned by Disney, so not really an impartial source.  No theater around me even accepts them.

adidas198 said:

Didn't you anti-SJWs look at Rottentomatoes as a victory of "the people" on how SJW stuff doesn't sell? But now that the critic/audience score is reversed compared to the last movie you don't even acknowledge it? 



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When including international territories, Rise of Skywalker's opening weekend was about $373m worldwide. Meaning that it didn't quite outgross the entire theatrical run of Solo ($392m worldwide) in its opening weekend, but it wasn't far off - and its rest-of-world gross ($198m) is already above Solo's ($179m).



So, opening weekend is closer to Rogue One than it is to Solo. Now to see if the strong user reviews translate into strong legs. Hopefully the legs are strong, Disney needs to see that it was the after effects of Episode 8 that hurt first weekend for Rise of Skywalker, and not Rise of Skywalker itself. It's time that they finally wake up and realize how much destruction Rian caused, and cancel his planned trilogy. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 22 December 2019

To land below Rogue One in the box office in the end could potentially - although we'll never have more than rough estimates for this, considering studios don't divulge the number of tickets sold - make ROS match or go under AOTC as the least watched of all the nine Star Wars movies.

Now let the blame shifting between Rian Johnson fans and J. J. Abrahams fans begin.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
To land below Rogue One in the box office in the end could potentially - although we'll never have more than rough estimates for this, considering studios don't divulge the number of tickets sold - make ROS match or go under AOTC as the least watched of all the nine Star Wars movies.

Adjusted for inflation, AOTC's gross works out to about $925m. I think ROS should finish ahead of that, given the lack of any particularly strong competition in the weeks ahead - unless Jumanji: The Next Level and/or Frozen 2 rebounds over the Christmas period.



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OlfinBedwere said:
haxxiy said:
To land below Rogue One in the box office in the end could potentially - although we'll never have more than rough estimates for this, considering studios don't divulge the number of tickets sold - make ROS match or go under AOTC as the least watched of all the nine Star Wars movies.

Adjusted for inflation, AOTC's gross works out to about $925m. I think ROS should finish ahead of that, given the lack of any particularly strong competition in the weeks ahead - unless Jumanji: The Next Level and/or Frozen 2 rebounds over the Christmas period.

This is true, but I remember reading twitter discussions with one of these box office insiders where he convincingly argued to adjust for inflation (which takes into account average ticket price) is actually flattering to certain movies nowadays, since things like weekend premieres, premium screenings, 3D etc. are more common than the average for blockbusters like Star Wars.

So that's what I'm basing myself to assume $1B, which still seems doable, might actually not be enough.



 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, after the train wreck of TLJ it deserves to be the lowest opening.

If someone asked me if they should see it in theaters I'd have to say no. They shat all over Anakin and Lucas' story in it.



Star Wars has been riding the original trilogy's coat tails for like 30+ years and I think the brand is just starting to fizzle.

The prequel trilogy was ass, this trilogy has better quality in certain areas but isn't coherent due to switching directors very individual sensibilities.

So it's basically one terrible trilogy and one very messy one. Even Mandalorian, it's really just riding the novelty of a Baby Yoda.



I created a chart in the OP to track the ROS's performance against TLJ. I'll track their DBO weekend numbers and LTD, as well as the FBO and WW LTD. I'll fill in the TLJ's FBO LTD later, as I will ahve to go back and read the international articles to get those numbers.



thismeintiel said:

Don't spout fake news in here. Especially when the numbers are easily accessible to everyone.

TLJ 2nd weekend drop: 67%

A:E 2nd weekend drop: 59%

And the thread continued on for so long because, like this one, it tracked the whole performance of the film. Besides, the movie continued to perform poorly. Its legs were worse than Rogue One. Not just percentage-wise, but in terms of revenue, as well.

Honest mistake on my part. I was looking at data for full weeks when I posted that, not weekends (I tend to focus more on full weeks than weekends; cinemas are open Monday through Thursday as well, after all). TLJ dropped 43.3% in Week 2. Endgame dropped 60.6% in Week 2.

Still, while TLJ could have done better past Week 3, it's not like it was some catastrophic failure like some people implied it was. And I still insist that singling out it's less-than-impressive legs while ignoring other major films with bad or worse legs is a double standard, one that only exists because of the excessive outrage over TLJ. Endgame's legs were so bad relative to its debut that it its Week 3 gross was less than Avengers 2012 and Black Panther and was just barely ahead of Infinity War, and its total gross for all weeks after Week 4 was far less than IW and Avengers 2012 and was not much more than Captain Marvel's. In fact, its total gross for all weeks after Week 2 was only 29.4% more than TLJ's post Week 2 gross, despite its gross from its first two weeks being 44.8% better than TLJ's. (This is all in adjusted terms, BTW.)

If Endgame had stronger legs, it could have potentially been the first film to gross a billion dollars domestically in nominal terms, and the first to have done so in adjusted terms since Titanic. Instead its domestic gross was $150M less than TFA's adjusted gross. If legs are as important as total grosses, then why were Endgame's legs ignored? Why did nobody treat its gross after the first three or four weeks like they're as important as earlier weeks? Because it was largely adored by both general audiences and MCU fans. It wasn't a divisive film that some people treat as if it were an affront to their very being. That's why. People take their fandom way too seriously, especially when Star Wars involved, so when they get a movie they don't like, they take it personally, and even if the movie makes enough to where it's still the #7 movie of the decade and the #26 film of the past 45 years (domestically for both, of course), they'll still find a way to downplay it. Because this is the internet and that's what some fans do now, apparently. This was the case for TLJ, and it's going to be the case for TROS. Anything to feel that their ire has been vindicated and justified.

Box office figures, review scores, etc., have become weapons in some pseudo-political (and frequently just flat-out political-political) pissing contest.

Last edited by Shadow1980 - on 28 December 2019