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Last Jedi killed my interest in the series so thoroughly I won't even be watching this one, a first for me as I've seen every other numbered Star Wars film to come out in my lifetime in its opening week. Not since the 1998 American Godzilla have I seen a franchise so butchered.



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curl-6 said:

Last Jedi killed my interest in the series so thoroughly I won't even be watching this one, a first for me as I've seen every other numbered Star Wars film to come out in my lifetime in its opening week. Not since the 1998 American Godzilla have I seen a franchise so butchered.

This is a way worse butcher job. Godzilla is the kind of stuff you can just reboot and pretend the bad stuff never happened, Star Wars can't really do that.



aiwass said:

I hated The Force Awakens. I thought it was boring, and it felt really obvious that it was trying hard to capture the Star Wars feel, and it failed. The Last Jedi, to me, was even worse. The subversion at every turn was not cute or interesting, it just made everything bleak and it single-handedly nearly ruined the entire franchise for me. The trilogy was already off to a crap start and this pretty much killed it.

Going into this, I was ready to hate-watch it... then something weird happened. I really enjoyed it. Somehow a lot of the problems I had with the previous two were gone; no more Guardians of the Galaxy non-joke lines and awkward pauses. There wasn't any beating the audience over the head with a particular agenda. They managed to make a film that captured the spirit of the franchise just right--at no point, to me, did it feel forced. This was just Star Wars. Still, I wouldn't call it a good, quality movie. A lot of the criticisms I do agree with, but to me it felt like JJ knew he had been written into a corner, so he basically said "fuck it" and did whatever he wanted in the most over-the-top, almost Doctor Who levels of campiness. I think the last two felt pretentious, like they demanded to be taken seriously. This movie is just having fun with it.

If The Force Awakens is a 5/10 and The Last Jedi is a 3/10, I'd put The Rise of Skywalker at a 6.5/10. The bar has been set so unbelievably low, that I'm sure the score would be lower if the last two had been any good at all.

So between this and The Mandalorian, hopefully they will realize they need their own George Lucas-type to oversee the continuity and have a grand vision for the franchise moving forward. Maybe that Dave Filoni guy?

If there is anybody still at LucasFilm who should oversee all of Star Wars moving forward, it is definitely Dave Filoni. He understands Star Wars and has a passion for Star Wars, and he was a personal protege of George Lucas when they were working on the Clone Wars together. 



My take away? Holy shit, The Force Awakens got a 93%? That movie was hot garbage, and I can't believe they went back to Abrams for the third. I haven't seen the new one yet. I will probably wait a few weeks for when the crowds die down before I go see it.



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mZuzek said:
curl-6 said:

Last Jedi killed my interest in the series so thoroughly I won't even be watching this one, a first for me as I've seen every other numbered Star Wars film to come out in my lifetime in its opening week. Not since the 1998 American Godzilla have I seen a franchise so butchered.

This is a way worse butcher job. Godzilla is the kind of stuff you can just reboot and pretend the bad stuff never happened, Star Wars can't really do that.

True I suppose, as much as the 1998 Godzilla absolutely gutted the character and stripped out everything that made the franchise awesome, at least it was easier to retcon out of existence.

Still though, fuck that movie, I'm still pissed off about it 21 years later lmao

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Star Wars is the Final Fantasy of movies.



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RolStoppable said:
Star Wars is the Final Fantasy of movies.

Maybe yeah, and both of them have a chance at delivering quality with each new iteration of it's franchise.

We can be hopefull,i'm sticking with being foolishly hopefull atm.



mZuzek said:
curl-6 said:

Last Jedi killed my interest in the series so thoroughly I won't even be watching this one, a first for me as I've seen every other numbered Star Wars film to come out in my lifetime in its opening week. Not since the 1998 American Godzilla have I seen a franchise so butchered.

This is a way worse butcher job. Godzilla is the kind of stuff you can just reboot and pretend the bad stuff never happened, Star Wars can't really do that.

Agreed. Also, it's not like they released a promising, but flawed, film first, to then release a film that ruined the lore and the characters. It would be like releasing Godzilla '14 first, people thinking it was ok to good, not great, but excited to see the sequel. Then, they release '98. "Bet you didn't expect Godzilla to look like this, huh? Expectations subverted!"



thismeintiel said:
mZuzek said:

This is a way worse butcher job. Godzilla is the kind of stuff you can just reboot and pretend the bad stuff never happened, Star Wars can't really do that.

Agreed. Also, it's not like they released a promising, but flawed, film first, to then release a film that ruined the lore and the characters. It would be like releasing Godzilla '14 first, people thinking it was ok to good, not great, but excited to see the sequel. Then, they release '98. "Bet you didn't expect Godzilla to look like this, huh? Expectations subverted!"

Wow, that'd be awesome. So subversive!



RolStoppable said:
Star Wars is the Final Fantasy of movies.

It truly is