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Lonely_Dolphin said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Mobile is not a problem because it's eating into the mainline games' sales and profits. Mobile is a problem because it earns so much money from such a little investment that it makes the mainline games look unprofitable by comparison. And the money earned by mobile will go towards mobile, because business-wise, it's the most profitable choice to make, thus the mainline games won't see a single penny from Go's profits.

Surely there's no way Pokemon Home/Masters/etc. takes millions to make, like you said it's surely little investment. It's probably true that the mainline games make less money though has this been confirmed? Undoubtedly when Go first came out, but is this still the case? Even if it's true though, the mainline games still make plenty of money and are the reason all the anime/merch/card games/etc. exist so it's well worth investing into.

https://sensortower.com/blog/pokemon-go-revenue-august-2019

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-10-30-pok-mon-go-surpasses-usd3bn-lifetime-revenue

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/71874/pokemon-go-collects-3-billion-in-lifetime-revenue/

Pokemon Go still makes money. And a lot of it. This is not going to stop just it's not in it's cenit.



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RolStoppable said:
Landale_Star said:
What surprises me is that anybody expected Pokemon to have good graphics, the games have always been simple and clean....the Pokedex cuts are one thing but the visuals are pretty much what I expect from this series. However, I gave up on Pokemon a long time ago, having to buy two very similar games and then maybe a third or fourth minor upgrade, released a bit later, has always seemed like complete money grabbing that everyone just ignores because it's Nintendo.

It's ignored because your reasoning is dumb.

Yeah, it's immensely profitable for the publisher, but where is the benefit to gamers to buy an incomplete version of the game? They launch at least two incomplete versions of the same game, every generation. The standard defense is it's actually an advantage because it forces you to make friends or something, but I don't buy that. Pokemon trading and battles would still be just as relevant even if everyone owned the whole game, but Nintendo knows that by splitting it up, they'll rake in cash from people who have to buy both games. It's just a cash grab.



Cerebralbore101 said:
A lot of the haters really should either play the game or just accept the aggregate review scores as truth. Too many haters are going off inaccurate or cherrypicked information from streamers/leaks. The game is a serious step down from previous games in the franchise, but still good enough to buy and play. I mean, 81/100 on Open/Meta is a very good score to have. Sure, it isn't 87 or 89, like a properly made Switch Poke'mon game would have been at, but it's still a damned good score. If people want to disagree with the Meta/Open score that's fine, but at least base it on having played the game yourself.

Hey guy. This is not about Pokemon being bad or good. It's this, "The game is a serious step down from previous games in the franchise, but still good enough to buy and play"

That has been the same story for almost a decade now. How many more step downs before a major step up is achieved? 



Darwinianevolution said:

https://sensortower.com/blog/pokemon-go-revenue-august-2019

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-10-30-pok-mon-go-surpasses-usd3bn-lifetime-revenue

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/71874/pokemon-go-collects-3-billion-in-lifetime-revenue/

Pokemon Go still makes money. And a lot of it. This is not going to stop just it's not in it's cenit.

Damn I made a horribly wrong assumption there. Well if they're looking at things from a maximum profits perspective, I can't argue that they should put more into the mainline games. 



Random_Matt said:
You really do not help the idea that Nintendo fans defend their franchises to death, sorry, this game warrants all the flak it gets.

You really do not read anything before posting do you?

I never said the game did not have flaws and that there was not debatable reason for someone not to want to play.  I was simply pointing something out that I thought about regarding traditional handheld games coming to Switch from devs that make traditional handheld games, and why this might not equate to a huge console experience that some might wish them to become.  Pokemon and the thought about battery life was the example.

But if your logic is that enjoying a game is being blind to its flaws and protecting anything, then all you are proving is how closed minded you are and how little you have brought to the conversation.

Flilix said:
Random_Matt said:
You really do not help the idea that Nintendo fans defend their franchises to death, sorry, this game warrants all the flak it gets.

Even as a total Nintendo fanboy, I'm starting to get this impression as well. Any major release of Nintendo gets a whole group of defenders by default.


It's pretty remarkable that the response of the Pokémon fanbase is mostly negative, while other Nintendo fans seem to go very far in defending it from the 'haters'.

The response from Pokemon fans on the internet have been largely negative.  However most of the Pokemon fanbase does not really participate in these forums, so there is no telling what the vast majority thinks.  Judging by sales of the game, it cannot be that bad.  And from the outside looking in, I have arguably seen just as many Pokemon fans on the net liking the game as those that hate it.

Full disclosure, I am looking at this from the outside looking in.  I am a gen 1 Pokemon player that stopped after yellow.  This is my first game to return to, and I am having a blast.  Most of the complaints regarding the national dex and the cuts mean NOTHING to me.  With that in mind, what I see is a good game that deserves the 8/10.

I am not defending the game, I almost did not buy it as I have said before (glad I did).  That is not even what this thread is about.  But what I am noticing is that fans who are upset about the success of the games for whatever reason somehow feel the need to hijack any discussion that mentions Pokemon just to complain about it.

Now Fililix, I am not refering to you when I say this as I know you to be level headed.  But when someone says that most of the Pokemon fanbase is upset about the game, they seem to using tunnel vision due to their own disappointment.  From the outside looking in, there are just as many who are fine with it as those that hate it and they are just attacking eachother.

The game has flaws, and I blame no one for not buying it for their own reasons.  But it is also a good game, and if it is still a mega hit for being a good game no one has the right to hate on those who bought it.  The vast majority obviously did not have a problem with it.  People who enjoy the game deserve no less respect than those who gave it a pass.



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SpokenTruth said:

435 at 1080p resolution vs 800 at 240p.  Also a fact that won't change regardless of perception or preference.

Indeed, but there are much more negative facts than positive ones, and if we wanna focus on graphics, just compare to pretty much any other Switch game. Anyway, the point was to show there is such a thing as objective value and standards. For you to jump in to his defense, I'd rather your purpose be to spite me than to seriously believe objective and subjective mean the same thing.



Lonely_Dolphin said:
SpokenTruth said:

435 at 1080p resolution vs 800 at 240p.  Also a fact that won't change regardless of perception or preference.

Indeed, but there are much more negative facts than positive ones, and if we wanna focus on graphics, just compare to pretty much any other Switch game. Anyway, the point was to show there is such a thing as objective value and standards. For you to jump in to his defense, I'd rather your purpose be to spite me than to seriously believe objective and subjective mean the same thing.

No one ever said they were.



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RolStoppable said:
SpokenTruth said:

This is now more interesting than the actual thread. What was the original thread title?

I didn't see the original title, but it must be as simple as "(...) GF's choice of visuals."

Yep that's it. Felt strange that the OP took the time to write out 6 paragraphs but decided to save time on the title with GF instead of Game Freak.



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Shiken said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Indeed, but there are much more negative facts than positive ones, and if we wanna focus on graphics, just compare to pretty much any other Switch game. Anyway, the point was to show there is such a thing as objective value and standards. For you to jump in to his defense, I'd rather your purpose be to spite me than to seriously believe objective and subjective mean the same thing.

No one ever said they were.

You did, or at the very least you were implying objectivity isn't a thing, that we can only look at game prices based on feelings.

Anyway forget that, are you ever going to acknowledge that Game Freak said they're going for quality?



TruckOSaurus said:
RolStoppable said:

I didn't see the original title, but it must be as simple as "(...) GF's choice of visuals."

Yep that's it. Felt strange that the OP took the time to write out 6 paragraphs but decided to save time on the title with GF instead of Game Freak.

Save time? ...Hehe. Monkey see, monkey do.