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Where Will T:DF End Up?

The Lowest of the Low 15 78.95%
 
Above Salvation 2 10.53%
 
Above Genisys 1 5.26%
 
Above T3 1 5.26%
 
Total:19

lol at anyone being dumb enough to think this would've made a ton of money if they just didn't have "woke politics". There's barely anything political about this film and "strong female lead" is already a staple of the Terminator franchise from day 1. Sarah Connor is the main character for T1 and T2 (yes she is the protagonist, she makes the decision to go after Miles Dyson and thus is driving the plot) and Genisys, Jordana Brewster becomes the co-lead of T3.

The franchise is just tired, I love Arnold but no one wants to see a 70 year old Terminator, it became a joke in the movie basically.

The 80s and 90s are over, Madonna isn't topping the pop charts, neither is Britney for that matter, times change, the only IP really relevant from the 70s/80s/90s today in a major way to the point it can carry a movie is Star Wars and there's not much else past that.

Kids don't want to see that old ass shit that's been done before already. Total Recall remake bombed, Robocop remake bombed, Terminator Genisys bomed, Ghostbusters bombed, Alien Covenant bombed, Tron did so-so, Blade Runner box office was a dud but a solid movie, Red Dawn bombed, Independence Day 2 was a bomb, Men In Black 4 was a bomb, The Predator (2018) bombed, Rambo: Last Blood fizzled out hard too. 

The only one that maybe did pretty well was Creed, which is a Rocky "remix", and that brought more of a fresh energy to it by making Apollo Creed's son Adonis the lead character, but as I said it's becoming rare for these reboots of 80s/90s IP to do well.

Last edited by Soundwave - on 17 November 2019

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Dark Fate has dropped another ~60%, grossing only $4.38M in its 3rd weekend. The FBO has also completely fallen apart for it. It had reached $150.9M at the FBO after last weekend. This entire week it only did $25.9M, bringing the FBO total to $176.8M. China, where Genisys reached $105M, T:DF only sits at $48.8M, with most likely only one more week to go in the territory.

With a WW total of $233.7M, T:DF sits $131.8M below Salvation. It's safe to say that it won't even come close to Salvation, making this the film not only the wokest of the Terminator films, but the worst performing one, as well. My guess is it ends its run at ~$265M-$275M WW, losing the studio ~$150M-$200M, depending on how big the marketing budget was.



it looks like, for me it was the worst erminator film



Soundwave said:

lol at anyone being dumb enough to think this would've made a ton of money if they just didn't have "woke politics". There's barely anything political about this film and "strong female lead" is already a staple of the Terminator franchise from day 1. Sarah Connor is the main character for T1 and T2 (yes she is the protagonist, she makes the decision to go after Miles Dyson and thus is driving the plot) and Genisys, Jordana Brewster becomes the co-lead of T3.

The franchise is just tired, I love Arnold but no one wants to see a 70 year old Terminator, it became a joke in the movie basically.

The 80s and 90s are over, Madonna isn't topping the pop charts, neither is Britney for that matter, times change, the only IP really relevant from the 70s/80s/90s today in a major way to the point it can carry a movie is Star Wars and there's not much else past that.

Kids don't want to see that old ass shit that's been done before already. Total Recall remake bombed, Robocop remake bombed, Terminator Genisys bomed, Ghostbusters bombed, Alien Covenant bombed, Tron did so-so, Blade Runner box office was a dud but a solid movie, Red Dawn bombed, Independence Day 2 was a bomb, Men In Black 4 was a bomb, The Predator (2018) bombed, Rambo: Last Blood fizzled out hard too. 

The only one that maybe did pretty well was Creed, which is a Rocky "remix", and that brought more of a fresh energy to it by making Apollo Creed's son Adonis the lead character, but as I said it's becoming rare for these reboots of 80s/90s IP to do well.

Man, then that should prove to you that the problem has nothing to do with a female lead, so kinda of throws out the misogynist argument when people hate these films.  The problem has to do with woke politics being pushed over writing an actual good script, with good characters.  And the fact you couldn't see them, probably just shows that you agree with them and are glad they are in there, and will have to continue to come into these threads desperately coming up with excuses as to why it wasn't the woke crap that helped make it a flop. 

I mean, a character mocks that a man would be the savior of the human race, so they "fix" it to be a woman.  You have the whole smashing the border wall thing, which is also probably why they made the new savior a native to Mexico.  They emasculated the Arnold Terminator by turning him into basically a cuck, who watches over the kids, but him and his "wife" don't have sex.  And what is always the cherry on top, the director goes out and bashes anyone who criticizes his work as misogynist trolls, even though they were excited to watch the film when they heard James Cameron and Linda Hamilton were coming back.  Of course, the promo pic and trailer turned a lot of people off.

As for your list, very wrong.  Has nothing to do with people not liking things being done over again, or making sequels to old films.  There have been many remakes/sequels that have actually down well.  True Grit. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.  Freaky Friday.  War of the Worlds.  The Ocean's Eleven series.  The Bond series. The problem comes when they are done poorly, and it makes it even worse when they are done poorly for the sake of woke politics.  Oh, I don't know, like what Ghostbusters did.  And MIB4 put in some of that, as well.

I know you want to limit it to 80s and 90s stuff, cause you think it helps your case, but it doesn't change that the films are remakes/sequels to old films, or even "old(er) ass shit."  Though, if you just want to stick with 80s/90s, we can.  Look at all of the Disney remakes that are just raking in the cash, and some of them are originally from the 80s and 90s.  And if MIB4 was actually another decent sequel with Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith, it would have succeeded, just like MIB3, which was the highest grossing film in the series.  The Rocky sequels continue to do well, including Creed.  Same goes for the Die Hard sequels.  And while Blade Runner and Tron did flop, mainly due to large budgets, they did in the past, too.  Hell, it seems people want to see that old shit even more, considering how much better their sequels did.  As for Rambo, that has been on a downward trend since the late 80s, with Rambo 3 making much less (-$110M) than the 2nd one, and the sequels continuing that trend.  Similar story for the Predator, albiet with a few more ups and downs, and it's a series that never was huge at the box office.

Also, some of the movies on your list were not bombs, in the fact that they didn't lose money, they just didn't make a lot after the budget and marketing was paid for.  Total Recall made $261.4M on a $65M budget, probably needing ~$175-$195M to break even.  Genisys made $432.2M on a $155M budget, probably needing $380M-$400M to break even.  You also bring up Alien Covenant, but ignore Prometheus, whose biggest selling point was being a prequel to Alien, which did $402.4M on a $125M budget, probably needing $355-375M to break even.

Oh, and on a completely unrelated topic , Charlie's Angels, which was pushing the whole woke BS, too, just flopped HARD.  $28M WW in its 1st weekend.  Even with just a budget of $50M, this film is going to have a tough time breaking even at ~$150M.



I went to see Terminator Dark Fate the entire theater was old ass 40-50 year olds. Because that's the average age of the Terminator audience these days.

Theres not a chance in hell the movie would do significantly higher box office if the lead character had a penis instead of a vagina.

It's a tired premise and Arnold is not believable as a menacing threat. He's an old man.

No 16 year old wants to see that, they don't give a crap about senior citizen 80s action stars that are looking old.

Rambo did poorly too, and that's supposed to be a "conservative" movie .... no one under 40 gives a crap about Rambo. Or Charlie's Angels.

These are old ass IP that have no where to go.



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Soundwave said:
I went to see Terminator Dark Fate the entire theater was old ass 40-50 year olds. Because that's the average age of the Terminator audience these days.

Theres not a chance in hell the movie would do significantly higher box office if the lead character had a penis instead of a vagina.

It's a tired premise and Arnold is not believable as a menacing threat. He's an old man.

No 16 year old wants to see that, they don't give a crap about senior citizen 80s action stars that are looking old.

Rambo did poorly too, and that's supposed to be a "conservative" movie .... no one under 40 gives a crap about Rambo. Or Charlie's Angels.

These are old ass IP that have no where to go.

Yeah the hype for those IP's has been dissolving for a long time,i consider the first two movies great and was a fan of the female lead but after those it just went downhill and eventually people stop caring.

And now with what happens at the start of this new movie all that she has fighted for in those two great films just does not matter anymore,and with what purpose,how could that make the plot better?

My interest would wake if they actually delivered something on the level of the first movies again though.



Soundwave said:
I went to see Terminator Dark Fate the entire theater was old ass 40-50 year olds. Because that's the average age of the Terminator audience these days.

Theres not a chance in hell the movie would do significantly higher box office if the lead character had a penis instead of a vagina.

It's a tired premise and Arnold is not believable as a menacing threat. He's an old man.

No 16 year old wants to see that, they don't give a crap about senior citizen 80s action stars that are looking old.

Rambo did poorly too, and that's supposed to be a "conservative" movie .... no one under 40 gives a crap about Rambo. Or Charlie's Angels.

These are old ass IP that have no where to go.

Are you saying if Transformers would not be an old IP, the movies could ve been even more succesful? My god, Michael Bay must be a genius. Maybe he should ve directed the latest Terminator. 



Hunting Season is done...

Soundwave said:
I went to see Terminator Dark Fate the entire theater was old ass 40-50 year olds. Because that's the average age of the Terminator audience these days.

Theres not a chance in hell the movie would do significantly higher box office if the lead character had a penis instead of a vagina.

It's a tired premise and Arnold is not believable as a menacing threat. He's an old man.

No 16 year old wants to see that, they don't give a crap about senior citizen 80s action stars that are looking old.

Rambo did poorly too, and that's supposed to be a "conservative" movie .... no one under 40 gives a crap about Rambo. Or Charlie's Angels.

These are old ass IP that have no where to go.

The heck are you even arguing anymore? Having a female protagonist doesn't automatically make it woke, and no one argued that. Obviously, you have no good argument for any of the other points, so fall back on the misogynistic angle, yet again.

Zoombael said:
Soundwave said:
I went to see Terminator Dark Fate the entire theater was old ass 40-50 year olds. Because that's the average age of the Terminator audience these days.

Theres not a chance in hell the movie would do significantly higher box office if the lead character had a penis instead of a vagina.

It's a tired premise and Arnold is not believable as a menacing threat. He's an old man.

No 16 year old wants to see that, they don't give a crap about senior citizen 80s action stars that are looking old.

Rambo did poorly too, and that's supposed to be a "conservative" movie .... no one under 40 gives a crap about Rambo. Or Charlie's Angels.

These are old ass IP that have no where to go.

Are you saying if Transformers would not be an old IP, the movies could ve been even more succesful? My god, Michael Bay must be a genius. Maybe he should ve directed the latest Terminator. 

I guess so, lol. Of course, he ignores all the people who are in their 20s-30s who were too young to watch T2, but did when they got older.



This will most likely be the last update I give, as the movie has just fallen off of a cliff. In its 4th weekend, it has fallen by a whopping 71%, making just $1.3M. After being out just 21 days, it lost nearly 3/4 of the theaters it was playing in. And after another week at the FBO, it made just $13M. Currently, it sits at $249.4M WW. I think it will fall towards the bottom end of my prediction from last week, so it should end up at ~$265M WW. This would put it ~$100M lower than the series previous low for a sequel, Salvation, with $365.5M WW.



Rambo bombed too ... guess people don't want conservative bull sh*t in their movies, meanwhile Captain Marvel and Black Panther lit up the box office.

More like people don't want to see 70 year old action heroes and IP from the 70s/80s/90s that have nothing new to bring to the table. 

Bringing up examples like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is laughable too ... the Johnny Depp version is now almost 15 freaking years old, maybe try stuff released in the last decade. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 25 November 2019