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What do you think?

I would be fine with that 19 24.05%
 
It's irrelevant 9 11.39%
 
That looks pretty bad 15 18.99%
 
AMAZING! 8 10.13%
 
That s**t looks awful! 12 15.19%
 
Did we go back to the 90's? 3 3.80%
 
V for Vendetta 3 3.80%
 
Would rather have it look like a box 4 5.06%
 
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit 5 6.33%
 
Should continue to stack ... 1 1.27%
 
Total:79
Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

I understand you, but there are people that like to buy some very big USB sticks with a lot of "carnival" throw at them =p

Buy a USB Port Extender.


Or a USB hub, either should work fine.

CuCabeludo said:
People should be more worried about the price than the design. A super fast SSD can cost the same as a console. A PS5 will come with faster SSD than PCs have currently.

The Playstation 5 will not have an SSD faster than what PC's can have.



Sony big shots are saying it. A heavily customized SSD with higher bandwidths you can see on PC. They are straight up lying then.



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CuCabeludo said:

Sony big shots are saying it. A heavily customized SSD with higher bandwidths you can see on PC. They are straight up lying then.

Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.

PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.

But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.

PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.



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Pemalite said:
CuCabeludo said:

Sony big shots are saying it. A heavily customized SSD with higher bandwidths you can see on PC. They are straight up lying then.

Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.

PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.

But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.

PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.

I thought it was that it would have the fastest SSD, compared to a PC equivalent in price to the PS5. So how fast is the SSD in a $500 PC generally? The PS5 will be faster than that, but won't make it the fastest SSD on the market by late 2020. It may however be faster than anticipated, due to it's customization and integration into the console.



EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:

Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.

PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.

But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.

PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.

I thought it was that it would have the fastest SSD, compared to a PC equivalent in price to the PS5. So how fast is the SSD in a $500 PC generally? The PS5 will be faster than that, but won't make it the fastest SSD on the market by late 2020. It may however be faster than anticipated, due to it's customization and integration into the console.

Sony made no mention of price.

But a Ryzen 3000 chip on x570 has 24x PCI-E 4.0 lanes... So you could theoretically do 48GB/s. - But a chunk of those lanes will be for the GPU if you have a discreet card so around 32GB/s is the more realistic number... Which is still insanely fast and much faster than a PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive.

At the end of the day, there is no "special customization". - Sony will be limited by the PCI-E Specification, SSD (Likely Phison) controller and AMD's chipset/IO  technology.



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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

I thought it was that it would have the fastest SSD, compared to a PC equivalent in price to the PS5. So how fast is the SSD in a $500 PC generally? The PS5 will be faster than that, but won't make it the fastest SSD on the market by late 2020. It may however be faster than anticipated, due to it's customization and integration into the console.

Sony made no mention of price.

But a Ryzen 3000 chip on x570 has 24x PCI-E 4.0 lanes... So you could theoretically do 48GB/s. - But a chunk of those lanes will be for the GPU if you have a discreet card so around 32GB/s is the more realistic number... Which is still insanely fast and much faster than a PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive.

At the end of the day, there is no "special customization". - Sony will be limited by the PCI-E Specification, SSD (Likely Phison) controller and AMD's chipset/IO  technology.

No they didn't, but do we really expect it to be anymore than $500? Would it be highly likely that $600 would be the absolute max they would dare to go? So a $600 PC then? How much faster would the SSD be in a $600 PC vs a $500 PC?

Well what's the difference between customization vs "special customization"?



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EricHiggin said:
Pemalite said:

Sony made no mention of price.

But a Ryzen 3000 chip on x570 has 24x PCI-E 4.0 lanes... So you could theoretically do 48GB/s. - But a chunk of those lanes will be for the GPU if you have a discreet card so around 32GB/s is the more realistic number... Which is still insanely fast and much faster than a PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drive.

At the end of the day, there is no "special customization". - Sony will be limited by the PCI-E Specification, SSD (Likely Phison) controller and AMD's chipset/IO  technology.

No they didn't, but do we really expect it to be anymore than $500? Would it be highly likely that $600 would be the absolute max they would dare to go? So a $600 PC then? How much faster would the SSD be in a $600 PC vs a $500 PC?

Well what's the difference between customization vs "special customization"?

That's just shifting the goal post, which is a logical fallacy. - Sony made a very blanket statement.

For starters we have zero idea what the Playstation 5 will cost, Sony hasn't announced pricing.
Secondly, Sony never mentioned PC pricing at all... So any comparisons involving price can't be done.

Thirdly, my above quoted post with Ryzen 3000 and x570 already answers your question.



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I am guessing the real question is how much Sony is willing to each the cost of bringing an expensive console to market. Would they be willing to go back to the PS3 days and sell the console at 600 bones while eating 800+ or more. Somehow I believe those days are over. I believe Sony just like MS isn't willing to lost leader a lot anymore killing their profit and margins and be in a situation like Sony did where the PS3 pretty much cleaned up all profits gain during the PS2 lifespan.



Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:

No they didn't, but do we really expect it to be anymore than $500? Would it be highly likely that $600 would be the absolute max they would dare to go? So a $600 PC then? How much faster would the SSD be in a $600 PC vs a $500 PC?

Well what's the difference between customization vs "special customization"?

That's just shifting the goal post, which is a logical fallacy. - Sony made a very blanket statement.

For starters we have zero idea what the Playstation 5 will cost, Sony hasn't announced pricing.
Secondly, Sony never mentioned PC pricing at all... So any comparisons involving price can't be done.

Thirdly, my above quoted post with Ryzen 3000 and x570 already answers your question.

Ok, so we're both guessing at something, since neither of us know for sure, and neither of us are suggesting anything that would be highly unlikely or out of the question, and yet $500 for the PS5 is ridiculous enough for you to brush it off like it means nothing, yet PS basing the SSD off of existing standards and tech should be taken more seriously? It's not like we don't know what consoles used to cost, presently cost, or what they could cost, based on many factors. You're right that PS hasn't said anything about price, other than Cerny saying, "it'll be appealing to gamers in light of it's advanced feature set", but they also haven't said anything about the SSD, other than it uses PCIe 4.0 and will load really fast.

While using existing tech with minor customizations is totally possible based on PS4's semi-custom tech, the PS4 was also coming off of a terrible gen for PS themselves, and going into a world of 'consoles are dead'. PS5 is coming off PS4 like PS3 came off PS2, and we all know what that led to. Now while I by no means think we're likely getting anything as unique or expensive as the PS3 was, I think expecting PS5 to simply be an upgraded Pro is setting the bar to low. I would guess we're going to see less minor semi custom tech, and more significant semi custom tech.

How much do you think the PS5 will be, based on whatever factors you would use at this time to make a reasonable guess?



Pemalite said:
CuCabeludo said:

Sony big shots are saying it. A heavily customized SSD with higher bandwidths you can see on PC. They are straight up lying then.

Yes they are certainly being disingenuous.
In saying that, they are trying to amp-up/promote their console, so there is always dubious claims everytime we enter a new console generation... The frustrating part is that everyone tends to take it as gospel and thus believe it.

PCI-E 4.0 NVMe drives will theoretically top out at around 8GB/s of sequential reads, which is likely what the Playstation 5 will have, taking advantage of AMD's latest technology. - That is stupidly fast whichever way you cut the cake considering most SSD setups today top out at around 4GB/s thanks to PCI-E 3.0 bandwidth limitations.

But the PC can do PCI-E 4.0 x16, and it can do RAID. - Epyc comes with 128x PCI-E 4.0 lanes, which is a theoretical max of 256GB/s of aggregate PCI-E bandwidth available for an SSD setup. - Which is simply an impossible number for a console to cost effectively have for next-gen.

PCI-E 5.0 will likely be available in 2022, Intel will support it with LGA 4677 sockets... And that could theoretically take it to 512GB/s or half a Terabyte per second.
PCI-E 6.0 is being ratified right now with system implementations after that, which will likely double things again.

aren't you being a bit disingenuous yourself here?

Unless I missed a more recent comment, Cerny said it was better than anything in current PCs when PCI-E 4.0 wasn't released. And an Epyc CPU is not something for "PCs" (_personal_ computers), it's server hardware. The kind of raids you describe are extremely unlikely to be used for personal/private use.

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CuCabeludo said:

Pemalite said:

The Playstation 5 will not have an SSD faster than what PC's can have.

Sony big shots are saying it. A heavily customized SSD with higher bandwidths you can see on PC. They are straight up lying then.

It's worth noting WHEN they said this. Back in April. Before PCIE-4 SSD's became available for use in PC's. So I wouldn't say straight up lying, it was just a very time limited statement.

The SSD they're going to put in the PS5 was better than any current PC SSD when they made the statement.

Edit: And now I see that the post before me already says exactly this... nice.