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Will you boycott Blizzard?

Yes 46 63.01%
 
No 21 28.77%
 
See Results 6 8.22%
 
Total:73
DarthMetalliCube said:
@Azzanation I for one don't think boycotting Blizzard is going to save Hong Kong directly obviously. But it's the principle and the precedent it possibly sets. It hopefully sends a message for supporting human rights and opposing violations on these basic rights in addition to Totalitarianism. And I partially get the "majority rules" argument of 600 million + customers but surely a good chunk of them must be in support of HK too??

I've softened on this a bit, at least Blizzard cut some of the suspension and returned Chung's prize money, though I can't help but feel that is merely because of the major backlash. I still feel Blizzard acting like a harmless statement that's bascially naught but "pro-human rights" when you boil it down is some kind of crazy, provocative, or divisive statement is asinine to me.. And I'll always feel that way.

Regardless, a couple of buddies just bought Overwatch on Switch and I'll be damned if I'm missing out over one foolish company decision. But I'm still buying used when I would have bought new before this. And that includes the sweet Dva controller I'll be picking up too :P

I will still buy Blizzard games and its not because I support CCP or any other bad practices, I support buying Blizzard games because I enjoy what they make. This scenario is off topic to Blizzards quality output and I will heavily disagree with them if they support CCP in there actual games, by ingame promoting and punishments based on this, than ill be reconsidering my purchases but that has to happen in the game not at an event. I just see Blizzard as your typical greedy business who actually put effort into there games. That's why I was a little upset that they got involved. But its out of our hands.

Either way, lets hope this gets resolved soon by Chung and Blizzard so we can all move on. 

Lonely_Dolphin said:

Your point is irrelevant, what matters is that it further proves their double standard, that it wasn't about upholding rules and principles like they claimed. People are acting like they chose money over humanity and honesty because that is exactly what they did. That'd you make excuses and defenses for them knowing this is pretty sad.

I'm pretty sure you're being disingenuous here, there's no way you've never heard the term "put your money where your mouth is," but just in case I'll explain the point of a boycott. It's purpose isn't about punishing quality games and hardworking devs. It's not the consumers job to make sure products are a success, it's the business's job to make an appealing product people want to buy. If you want to separate business decisions from their products, fair enough, but it's also fair for others to take their actions into account.

As you've said, companies only care about money so the only way to affect them is to not buy their product. The hope is that enough people will do so to get them to listen. Even if not, it's also for the self, to feel good knowing you're not supporting something you don't agree with. You can be offended by this idea but don't make silly insinuations to justify your stance. No one believes boycotting Blizzard will free Hong Kong. They did something really shitty and people aren't going to stand for it, the logic is that simple.

I'd need to know what exactly is said and how it's said, but anything supporting the CCP is likely no good no matter the context.

I know what Boycotting means, I just don't do it especially on good products. But that's just my opinion on it. As mentioned above, I will consider boycotting games if they included promoting of communism and banned players for speaking up ingame. However because this happen outside of games and at an event I doesn't warrant a boycott, again my opinion. 

I don't disagree with those saying Blizzard did a shitty business practice, I know they did and they deserved the feedback, but I still want them to continue making quality games and boycotting I feel affects the games output rather than the actual events happening in China. 



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Azzanation said:

I know what Boycotting means, I just don't do it especially on good products. But that's just my opinion on it. As mentioned above, I will consider boycotting games if they included promoting of communism and banned players for speaking up ingame. However because this happen outside of games and at an event I doesn't warrant a boycott, again my opinion. 

I don't disagree with those saying Blizzard did a shitty business practice, I know they did and they deserved the feedback, but I still want them to continue making quality games and boycotting I feel affects the games output rather than the actual events happening in China. 

If boycotting is no good, what should people do instead?

That's the point, to hit the only thing they care about, money, so they're forced to change their ways. You don't needa worry about them continuing to make games though, Blizzard must know this backlash isn't gonna hurt them much given their response to it. People will be protesting at this upcoming Blizzcon, but they probably wont next year. Blitzchung is what's worrisome, he's definitely screwed if that extradition plan goes through.



Jpcc86 said:
Im way ahead of the game, Ive been boycotting Blizzard for the last 4 years.

Noob, 16 years and counting

Since Blizzard choose to make WoW instead of WC4/D3/SC2/SC Ghost/WC Thrall



Lonely_Dolphin said:

If boycotting is no good, what should people do instead?

That's the point, to hit the only thing they care about, money, so they're forced to change their ways. You don't needa worry about them continuing to make games though, Blizzard must know this backlash isn't gonna hurt them much given their response to it. People will be protesting at this upcoming Blizzcon, but they probably wont next year. Blitzchung is what's worrisome, he's definitely screwed if that extradition plan goes through.

Really think about this for a minute. Boycotting games isn't going to hurt Blizzard, its going to hurt the gamers more as Blizzard wont think the lack of sales is due to this event because they are most likely going to continue to make more money in China alone than the rest of the world. Blizzard will act like any other major corporation and sack and rehire staff or simply go the way we don't want and focus on methods we don't want. Currently Blizzard house some of the best video game talent in the industry and we want to see the best work on our favourite IPs. Why hurt there jobs? its not the employee's fault that a few Activision Blizzard members acted this way. 

We should be calling for the head of those decision makers and harassing the company as a whole.. by what is currently happening by protesting at there HQ, Emailing, Streaming and any other popular methods to get there attention. Blizzard make too much money to care if they lose a few million gamers if they know they will make more money staying relevant in China.



All companies want money. That's the thing about companies. With very few exceptions, all business is done with the intent of earning the most possible money.

Blizzard just made a move that turned out to cost them money due to the mob mentality of people on the Internet (or people in general).

And I do believe that most people know this, but I think that some do not, and are under the impression that other more favorable companies are generous and pro-consumer. And this is because "reputation" is important to a company's bottom line, and certain companies depend on having a good reputation more than others. Their generosity is a calculated investment that they believe will have a positive return.

Companies spend millions trying to increase their positive perception. Insurance companies come to mind, where they try and convince consumers that they "are in good hands" and will be taken care of when something goes wrong. But the reality is that they aren't thrilled when they have to pay out a large claim, and in fact they will spend extra money to hire additional staff whose sole job is to find situations where they feel they can deny coverage based on the fine print in their contracts (which they also carefully construct in order to be the most profitable).

So yeah, I like Sony and Nintendo, and it's good to support the companies that you like. I hope this didn't come across as me saying that all companies are evil, because I don't think wanting profit is evil, but I do think that most every company is trying to make the most possible money that they can, whether it be short-term with microtransactions and loot boxes, or long-term by investing in a positive company image that will pay off over the long run.



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Azzanation said:

Really think about this for a minute. Boycotting games isn't going to hurt Blizzard, its going to hurt the gamers more as Blizzard wont think the lack of sales is due to this event because they are most likely going to continue to make more money in China alone than the rest of the world. Blizzard will act like any other major corporation and sack and rehire staff or simply go the way we don't want and focus on methods we don't want. Currently Blizzard house some of the best video game talent in the industry and we want to see the best work on our favourite IPs. Why hurt there jobs? its not the employee's fault that a few Activision Blizzard members acted this way. 

We should be calling for the head of those decision makers and harassing the company as a whole.. by what is currently happening by protesting at there HQ, Emailing, Streaming and any other popular methods to get there attention. Blizzard make too much money to care if they lose a few million gamers if they know they will make more money staying relevant in China.

Yes I just said Blizzard must know the backlash won't outweigh communist slave money, but they'll still feel some losses, that's better than no punishment at all. Blizzard won't give a damn what people who are still buying their games say. Email's and streams alone have no chance at getting them to correct their mistakes and don't hurt them in the slightest. They'll just see the money still pouring in like normal as confirmation that they're making the right decisions. From a personal standpoint, most people would see the hypocrisy of denouncing Blizzard yet still buying their games and wont feel good about not putting their money where their mouth is. Those who associate company decisions with their products obviously wouldn't be happy either buying products they can no longer enjoy.

It's simply unreasonable to expect people to not do the simplest easiest and most effective method especially when all other methods have no weight without it. If Blizzard fucks up again by misinterpreting the data, then so be it, humanity can survive without their games.



Azzanation said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

If boycotting is no good, what should people do instead?

That's the point, to hit the only thing they care about, money, so they're forced to change their ways. You don't needa worry about them continuing to make games though, Blizzard must know this backlash isn't gonna hurt them much given their response to it. People will be protesting at this upcoming Blizzcon, but they probably wont next year. Blitzchung is what's worrisome, he's definitely screwed if that extradition plan goes through.

Really think about this for a minute. Boycotting games isn't going to hurt Blizzard, its going to hurt the gamers more as Blizzard wont think the lack of sales is due to this event because they are most likely going to continue to make more money in China alone than the rest of the world. Blizzard will act like any other major corporation and sack and rehire staff or simply go the way we don't want and focus on methods we don't want. Currently Blizzard house some of the best video game talent in the industry and we want to see the best work on our favourite IPs. Why hurt there jobs? its not the employee's fault that a few Activision Blizzard members acted this way. 

We should be calling for the head of those decision makers and harassing the company as a whole.. by what is currently happening by protesting at there HQ, Emailing, Streaming and any other popular methods to get there attention. Blizzard make too much money to care if they lose a few million gamers if they know they will make more money staying relevant in China.

It is hurting them in their wallets,even if it is just a bit it is hurting,and are you aware that they sack hundreds of staff and rehire after each project just to have even more earnings to apeal to shareholders while they already make all the money in the world?

I as a consumer am fine when activision/blizzard is completely gone and i'm sorry for the gamers that pretend they still make consumerfriendly games just because they enjoy them. Overall the gamingindustry would be more fair for other devs/company's and consumerfriendly if top of the shelf greed above all corporations like that weren't around,they do not care about their employees and they pretend to care about us to make money but that facade is at plenty of times just so easy to see trough,it is just a pure greed machine and capitalism for the win i know but there should be a limit.

Bolded:But they do not know that yet as China is a big risk to focus all their efforts on atm and if it wasnt then by all means they can solely make games for China for all i care,it is a trend to fuck people over there so they will have not much difficulty to adapt.



Lonely_Dolphin said:

Yes I just said Blizzard must know the backlash won't outweigh communist slave money, but they'll still feel some losses, that's better than no punishment at all. Blizzard won't give a damn what people who are still buying their games say. Email's and streams alone have no chance at getting them to correct their mistakes and don't hurt them in the slightest. They'll just see the money still pouring in like normal as confirmation that they're making the right decisions. From a personal standpoint, most people would see the hypocrisy of denouncing Blizzard yet still buying their games and wont feel good about not putting their money where their mouth is. Those who associate company decisions with their products obviously wouldn't be happy either buying products they can no longer enjoy.

It's simply unreasonable to expect people to not do the simplest easiest and most effective method especially when all other methods have no weight without it. If Blizzard fucks up again by misinterpreting the data, then so be it, humanity can survive without their games.

Well it seems all this time I thought I was debating with someone who actually liked Blizzard games, but it seems your true colours have come out. Boycott there games, I wont because there games are quite good. I also don't like punishing people that have nothing to do with the event that happened. It just shows that you are no different to the Chinese, taking people out with collateral damage to have your say. I am sure if Blizzard banned a guy at there event for a year if they stood up promoting communism at a US event you probably wouldn't give two shits. Its all politics, something I stay out of. If it frees up Blizzards servers than you are only doing me a favour. Sorry but that's just my opinion and I wont be changing my mind on it. 

Or you could go out and hunt the Members of Blizzard that enforced the law of the ban, don't blame it on a brand especially since it had nothing to do with there games. That's what ill be doing in your shoes. Only way you can get me to boycott something I like is if it was directly related to the games I am playing, like if Blizzard were banning gamers in game for having free speech etc.

Immersiveunreality said:

It is hurting them in their wallets,even if it is just a bit it is hurting,and are you aware that they sack hundreds of staff and rehire after each project just to have even more earnings to apeal to shareholders while they already make all the money in the world?

I as a consumer am fine when activision/blizzard is completely gone and i'm sorry for the gamers that pretend they still make consumerfriendly games just because they enjoy them. Overall the gamingindustry would be more fair for other devs/company's and consumerfriendly if top of the shelf greed above all corporations like that weren't around,they do not care about their employees and they pretend to care about us to make money but that facade is at plenty of times just so easy to see trough,it is just a pure greed machine and capitalism for the win i know but there should be a limit.

Bolded:But they do not know that yet as China is a big risk to focus all their efforts on atm and if it wasnt then by all means they can solely make games for China for all i care,it is a trend to fuck people over there so they will have not much difficulty to adapt.

You get the same answer as above. If you don't like or care for Blizzard games do what you wish. It doesn't change my opinion on the matter.



Azzanation said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Yes I just said Blizzard must know the backlash won't outweigh communist slave money, but they'll still feel some losses, that's better than no punishment at all. Blizzard won't give a damn what people who are still buying their games say. Email's and streams alone have no chance at getting them to correct their mistakes and don't hurt them in the slightest. They'll just see the money still pouring in like normal as confirmation that they're making the right decisions. From a personal standpoint, most people would see the hypocrisy of denouncing Blizzard yet still buying their games and wont feel good about not putting their money where their mouth is. Those who associate company decisions with their products obviously wouldn't be happy either buying products they can no longer enjoy.

It's simply unreasonable to expect people to not do the simplest easiest and most effective method especially when all other methods have no weight without it. If Blizzard fucks up again by misinterpreting the data, then so be it, humanity can survive without their games.

Well it seems all this time I thought I was debating with someone who actually liked Blizzard games, but it seems your true colours have come out. Boycott there games, I wont because there games are quite good. I also don't like punishing people that have nothing to do with the event that happened. It just shows that you are no different to the Chinese, taking people out with collateral damage to have your say. I am sure if Blizzard banned a guy at there event for a year if they stood up promoting communism at a US event you probably wouldn't give two shits. Its all politics, something I stay out of. If it frees up Blizzards servers than you are only doing me a favour. Sorry but that's just my opinion and I wont be changing my mind on it. 

Or you could go out and hunt the Members of Blizzard that enforced the law of the ban, don't blame it on a brand especially since it had nothing to do with there games. That's what ill be doing in your shoes. Only way you can get me to boycott something I like is if it was directly related to the games I am playing, like if Blizzard were banning gamers in game for having free speech etc.

Immersiveunreality said:

It is hurting them in their wallets,even if it is just a bit it is hurting,and are you aware that they sack hundreds of staff and rehire after each project just to have even more earnings to apeal to shareholders while they already make all the money in the world?

I as a consumer am fine when activision/blizzard is completely gone and i'm sorry for the gamers that pretend they still make consumerfriendly games just because they enjoy them. Overall the gamingindustry would be more fair for other devs/company's and consumerfriendly if top of the shelf greed above all corporations like that weren't around,they do not care about their employees and they pretend to care about us to make money but that facade is at plenty of times just so easy to see trough,it is just a pure greed machine and capitalism for the win i know but there should be a limit.

Bolded:But they do not know that yet as China is a big risk to focus all their efforts on atm and if it wasnt then by all means they can solely make games for China for all i care,it is a trend to fuck people over there so they will have not much difficulty to adapt.

You get the same answer as above. If you don't like or care for Blizzard games do what you wish. It doesn't change my opinion on the matter.

Ofcourse you are free to have your opinion and it is your right to enjoy what you want.



the-pi-guy said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/djug36/congress_sends_letter_condemning_blizzard_for/

Congress sends letter.

You know you done messed up when you get AOC and Marco Rubio to team up against you haha



 

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